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Wrestling Observer Rewind ★ May 13, 2002

Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives.
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  • Okay, look, here's the deal. The obituaries, as sad as they are, contain some of Dave's best work. But good lord, they are looooooooooong. And they never contain anything newsworthy that is relevant to 2002 or anything. But they're always super interesting from a historical perspective. But last week, Dave wrote a brief obit for Lou Thesz (only 5,000 words, ahem) and promised to go into more detail this week. So this week, we open with a 16,000+ word obituary for Lou Thesz and I just can't. Sorry. It's really good though, you should all go read it. But I've got, like, a family and a job and responsibilities and stuff. I can't recap this. It's an incredible piece of work though.
  • The World Wrestling Federation is no more. On May 5th, the company unveiled its new name, World Wrestling Entertainment. Dave recaps the history of the company briefly (was originally called "World Wide Wrestling Federation, or WWWF, until 1979 when it was shortened to WWF, which is has remained for the past 23 years). But as of this week, the company has been rebranded to WWE. The website domain was changed to WWE.com and all references to "WWF" were changed to "WWE." The scratch logo was also changed, with the F being removed, so now it simply looks like "WW" (which, honestly, never really did make much sense to me. Even though the logo has changed, it's still "WW" to this day). Anyway, this all stems from the World Wildlife Fund lawsuit over in the UK, in which the WWE lost every court case and appeal. They were planning to appeal the ruling in the UK's highest court, their final last-ditch effort to save their name, but the reality is, they weren't going to win that case. Vince McMahon and the company blatantly and repeatedly violated the agreement they signed in 1994. It was 1000% obvious they were in the wrong here and they had gotten spanked by every single court before, often losing their appeals by unanimous decisions. So they weren't going to win this final appeal either and they knew it. So they dropped the appeal and threw in the towel and finally agreed to just change the name. The WWE has until May 15th to remove all references to "WWF" from their shows and merchandise. Any merch with "WWF" on it can no longer be sold after that date. All video packages and posters will have to be changed and any "WWF" mention or logos after that time on television or in past footage will have to be censored. Last year, during the court case, the WWE claimed it would cost them more than $50 million to change their name and to deal with all the legal and rebranding headaches that come with it. But this week, they backtacked on that and said it wouldn't be that expensive after all. Who knows if that's true, but the idea of this costing $50 million was enough to make the shareholders shit themselves, so Dave says they claimed it won't cost that much in order to keep the stock from plummeting. Anyway, none of this had to happen. In 1994, Vince McMahon and the Wildlife Fund signed an agreement that the wrestling company would not use the "WWF" name for promoting itself outside of the U.S. (since the Wildlife group is based overseas) and that worked well for a year or two. But then Vince McMahon apparently decided, "Meh, who cares about agreements?" and began repeatedly and blatantly violating it, constantly, for years, at which point the Wildlife group finally got upset enough to file a lawsuit. Anyway, on the first Raw since the name change, Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler repeatedly stumbled over the new initials, accidentally saying "WWF" multiple times. Gonna take time for everyone to get used to calling it the new name.
  • The buyrates for Wrestlemania 18 are in and it appears the event will have to settle for being the #2 biggest money show in wrestling history after it came up short and failed to surpass Wrestlemania 17. Final numbers aren't in yet, but latest estimates put it somewhere around the 800,000 buys range (ended up being about 880,000) which is quite a bit down from WM17. It was also #2 in total revenue from live gate and merch. Internally, it's actually being seen as something of a disappointment because with the power of the Hogan/Rock dream match, they were hopeful this show would top 1 million buys but unless something drastic changes with these buyrate numbers, it looks like the final total will be a good bit short of that.
  • NJPW's latest Tokyo Dome show is in the books. The show drew a sellout crowd of 57,000 fans, there to see the Masahiro Chono vs. Mitsuharu Misawa dream main event (which ended up going to a 30-minute draw). It was the biggest non-Jan. 4 crowd NJPW has drawn to the Dome in 2 years. So that's the good news. The bad news is that the show flopped in the ratings on TV. A big part of that is because the Chono/Misawa match didn't air as part of the show (due to the Asahi-TV/Nippon TV network issues discussed in past issues) so the televised show was built around the Shinya Hashimoto/Naoya Ogawa vs. Scott Norton/Hiroyoshi Tenzan match and man, the fans sure didn't seem to give a fuck about that. In fact, the rating was so bad that there's concern that this will be the end of pro wrestling on prime time TV in Japan for the foreseeable future. But there are justifiable reasons for the rating. The show went head-to-head with the Kirin Cup soccer tournament, which was a huge deal and did more than double the rating the NJPW show did. Unlike the U.S., wrestling and "real" sports in Japan have a major crossover audience, so having real sports competition severely hurt NJPW's show. Also, while Ogawa is a draw as a singles star, putting him in a tag match against Norton and Tenzan isn't exactly setting the world on fire. The show lasted 6 hours, which was way too long and the crowd was burned out before Misawa vs. Chono even started.
  • Other notes from the NJPW show: it opened with an hour long 30th anniversary ceremony. They had a 10-bell salute for Lou Thesz and brought out a bunch of legendary NJPW names from the 70s and 80s. Then they did an angle where Antonio Inoki came out to give a speech, but he was attacked by Tiger Jeet Singh. But then Chyna made the save, attacking Singh, running him out of the ring, and challenging him to a match. Inoki's ex-wife, famous Japanese actress Mitsuko Baisho then made an appearance, getting a huge pop, and she and Inoki did his famous catch phrase to kick off the show. Minoru Suzuki of Pancrase (who started with NJPW as a pro wrestler) was also there. Jushin Ligher and Minoru Tanaka won the IWGP Jr. tag titles and then Liger challenged several NOAH wrestlers who were at ringside (most notably KENTA) and they all jumped in the ring and it ended with a staredown. The Steiner Brothers reunited to face Hiroshi Tanahashi and Kensuke Sasaki, with Chyna as the special referee. Tanahashi was working hurt, but he still worked. They did a spot where Tanahashi ran into Chyna and he went down off the bump instead of her and Dave seems annoyed by this since Tanahashi is a guy they really need to be pushing who can be a huge star for this company. Dave doesn't like him selling bumps for Chyna. Anyway, decent match but the Steiners basically steamrolled them and Tanahashi was pinned by Scott Steiner. Chyna then challenged several All Japan Women at ringside as well as Scott Steiner, Tanahashi, Sasaki, and even IWGP champion Yuji Nagata, saying she wanted a title match. Dave thinks this company has lost its damn mind. Speaking of Nagata, he retained his title in the next match. And then, of course, the main event. Usually during interpromotional matches, the crowd is always super pro-NJPW but this time, they went insane for Misawa and it was clear there were a ton of NOAH fans in the building. Chono did some Inoki moves and Misawa did some Great Baba moves, to kinda have a spiritual "Baba vs. Inoki" tribute in the match I guess. Ended in a draw and by the time it was over, no matter how big the dream match was, the crowd was burned out and weren't as hype for the match as you might expect once the entrances were done.
WATCH: Misawa vs. Chono highlights
  • Goldberg has received a full buy-out of his WCW contract from Time Warner and as of this week, he is now an unsigned free agent. Goldberg did not request the buy-out, the decision was made by the Time Warner side after the most unprofitable quarter in their history. The company was looking to cut expenses, even at a loss, just so the books can look better in future quarters. Goldberg reportedly received almost all of his remaining salary (more than 90% of the nearly $3 million he was still owed) in order to get him off their books. When Goldberg realized he's going to be a free agent a year earlier than expected, talks with WWE started up. But as usual, they went nowhere. WWE (I feel like I'm having to get used to typing that all over again. Really does feel like 2002 again) has interest in him, especially given the way ratings continue to plummet lately. But Goldberg has always wanted more than WWE is willing to pay. Plus, they're feeling burned right now after signing Hall and Nash to big money, long-term contracts for part-time work, only to have Nash get injured and Hall likely to get himself fired at any moment (that moment is coming sooner than you think), and neither of them really getting over in any meaningful way. Even Hogan, who is also making big money for a reduced schedule, was hot for a minute and boosted ratings and buyrates. But after only a few months, that train already seems to be out of steam and TV ratings are back to floundering with Hogan as champion leading the shows. So WWE is kinda gun-shy on opening the checkbook and paying out the ass for these big stars, futilely hoping that one of them is the quick-fix that can stop the bleeding.
  • There's also the question of how Goldberg would fit within the WWE locker room. He hasn't been shy about his dislike for Triple H, dating back to WCW when Triple H trashed Goldberg in a radio interview and saying that even if Goldberg was available, they wouldn't want him (which, at the time, when WCW was still alive and Goldberg was the biggest star in the company, is just about the dumbest thing he could have said. In 1998, WWF would have gladly traded 10 Triple H's for Goldberg). Anyway, Goldberg took the comment personally and even confronted Triple H face-to-face at the Toy Fair convention in New York a couple of years ago, in a bit of an ugly scene where Goldberg was yelling at him and Triple H and Stephanie kept their heads down and said nothing. Goldberg also has a lot of dislike for Scott Hall, which is another of Triple H's good friends, so ya know. The latest on Goldberg is that he's considering working some in Japan but he's just fielding offers right now. Word is he's interested in working with PRIDE as well as NJPW. Of course, if he's looking to maximize his money potential, WWE is still the place to go if you want to make big bucks. If promoted right, matches against Rock, Austin, Triple H, and others could do huge buyrates. And if they keep Goldberg and Austin apart for a year and build to a match with them at Wrestlemania, well, needless to say, that show would set records. Dave talks about how Goldberg got nuclear hot in 1998 and even in 1999, he was the biggest drawing wrestler in the business. But by 2000, the company was dying, Goldberg was injured, and "Jesus Chris with an Etch-a-Sketch" couldn't have drawn in WCW. Dave again does the math and talks about how WWE should have brought Goldberg in for the Invasion angle. Yes, it would have cost them a lot of money and upset the salary structure, but he would have more than made up for it with the kind of buyrates he could have drawn with those dream matches and the Invasion angle might have had a chance. But alas.
  • And of course, who's to say how WWE would use Goldberg? They already have Brock Lesnar and they're currently giving him the unstoppable monster push. Lesnar is bigger, younger, and a more legitimate athlete (for whatever that's worth). And WWE probably isn't going to give Goldberg an endless string of jobbers to beat. In WWE, he's going to be expected to work longer matches, sell for people, etc. They won't book him the way WCW did so who knows how he'd get over in WWE? If they wanted to build to an Austin/Goldberg match, it would make sense that Goldberg first has to plow through guys like Triple H, Undertaker, etc. And politically, that just ain't gonna happen. Dave doubts NJPW can afford him for anything more than one or two big shows. As for PRIDE, he could probably make a lot of money there, but the problem is.....PRIDE is a shoot. They haven't had "worked" matches in a couple of years and doing so now would kill their credibility. Which means Goldberg would have to go into a legit shoot and one embarrassing loss there would severely hurt his future earning potential. In the end, Dave thinks it's inevitable that Goldberg will end up in WWE, but probably not any time soon. But he's certain it will eventually happen. There's too much money on the line for both sides and WWE's ratings woes are making them desperate, so it'll happen some day (yup, less than a year from this).
  • And the moment is here! For those of you who had "under 3 months" in the "How long will Scott Hall last?" pool, come collect your prize. Scott Hall was released by the WWE this week due to misbehavior on the European tour. Firstly, he went on a drunken binge during the entire tour and was even worse on the plane ride home (much more on that in a bit). Dave says this was inevitable. WCW fired him. Even ECW stopped using him when he got arrested at one point. And even though he was seemingly behaving during his Japan tours, even NJPW cut ties with him shortly before he went back to WWE because they were fed up with some of his antics. And now WWE has fired him. Dave talks about how Hall made a drunken spectacle of himself in the locker room on his very first day back in WWE, before the NWO even debuted on TV, then he showed up in Toronto for Wrestlemania in no condition to perform (later came out that he was hungover from the night before), which caused Austin to insist on ending their feud at WM (which was the plan, but Dave says Austin has continued working with Hall afterwards simply because they don't really seem to have any other credible opponents for him). Hall's match with Bradshaw at Backlash was an embarrassment and the night before that show, agents had to help him back to his hotel. Just endless incidents like this. In Europe, Hall was such a blatant drunken mess that even the other wrestlers were calling for him to be fired. Hall was 45 minutes late for the bus they all took to London and then passed out in the locker room during the show. On the plane ride back, he was starting fights with people and eventually passed out and it got to the point that people were worried about his health. When they got back to the U.S. for Raw, they literally had to wake him up from a drunken stupor backstage to send him to the ring to do his segment (and yes, he wrestled). After the show, they fired him. No one came to his defense, and even Hall's closest friends are now admitting that he simply can't handle the pressures of being on the road and being released is the best thing for him right now. Dave talks about how a lot of wrestlers have been fired in the last couple of years for drug and alcohol issues and that's all well and good, but the big problem is why hire them in the first place? Scott Hall's issues were not a secret. It wasn't like he cleaned himself up before he came to WWE. He was getting in trouble and collecting arrests like Pokemon all the way up until the day they brought him back. Anyway, Hall had a 2-year deal, believed to be worth $600,000-per-year downside for only 10 dates per month. So a really sweet deal, but it's gone now.
  • Hey, speaking of that European tour, turns out there was a bit of trouble on the flight back to the U.S. Perhaps you've heard of it. Most of the trouble wasn't even due to Scott Hall. Turns out Vince McMahon didn't make the trip and lots of people decided that was a good reason to cut loose and have fun. Plus, since everyone has seen Hall get away with being drunk 24/7 for the last few months, they figured nobody would get in trouble. So....folks got DRUNK. Among the various incidents on this flight: Goldust got on the speaker system and began drunkenly serenading his ex-wife Terri with love songs. Terri was extremely uncomfortable and begged him to stop and then Jim Ross had to go sit him down. Ric Flair also "started to get wild" but Jim Ross calmed him down as well (Dave doesn't seem to know just yet exactly what Flair "getting wild" entailed, but if you don't know, it involved getting totally naked except for his robe and started helicoptering his dick at flight attendants. And it gets worse if you feel like researching it. The flight attendants later filed a lawsuit against Flair and accused him of sexual assault). Curt Hennig was spraying people with shaving cream and he kept trying to get Brock Lesnar to fight him. Lesnar, being a newcomer, didn't know how to handle it and didn't want to get in trouble, but he ain't gonna let Hennig talk shit to him either. So anyway, Lesnar got up and basically annihilated Hennig, repeatedly taking him to the ground and embarrassing him because, well, of course he did. It's Brock Lesnar. At one point, Lesnar slammed Hennig up against the side of the plane, right into the emergency exit door, which freaked everybody out for obvious reasons. Michael Hayes got into a scuffle with Bradshaw and then tried to pick a fight with Hall (although everyone on the plane said Hall had it coming). Anyway, Hayes was apparently obnoxious as hell and annoyed everyone. But then he made the mistake of falling asleep and someone (believed to be X-Pac) cut his hair off. When Hayes woke up, he was furious and tried to fight several people. The next day at the Raw tapings, his entire mullet was in a plastic bag, pinned to the wall of the locker room for everyone to see. Gerald Brisco, Arn Anderson, and Hayes all caught a ton of heat from Vince afterward since they were the people who were supposed to be in charge. Anderson and Hayes especially, since their jobs are to keep the boys under control, but they were apparently having just as much fun as everyone else. Everyone's waiting to see how Vince is going to handle this situation. As noted, Hall was already fired and Hayes got an earful from Vince, Stephanie, and JR at Raw the next day, but there will likely be more fallout. Undertaker was also said to be furious over how out of hand everything got (I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this).
  • Anyway, while they were in Europe, WWE presented its latest UK PPV, Insurexxtion. As usual with the UK PPVs, this was little more than a glorified house show. They announced the show as sold out, but there were empty seats everywhere. RVD vs. Eddie Guerrero for the IC title was the show-stealer according to every report Dave heard, and was said to be far better than their Backlash match. Brock Lesnar teamed with Shawn Stasiak (lol wut) and lost to the Hardyz. Brock beat up everybody after the match. Triple H beat Undertaker in the main event and Dave doesn't know why since Undertaker is the one challenging Hogan for the title at the next PPV. The top rope broke during the match when they did an Irish whip into the corner and when the rope snapped, a metal piece broke off from the corner and flew into the crowd and barely missed hitting a small child in the face.
  • Smackdown on 5/2 drew the all-time lowest rating in the history of the show. Dave says that's the scariest thing to happen to WWF in the past 5 years. It was also the 3rd lowest rating for any Smackdown or Raw dating back to 1998. The rating was a full 18% drop from the week before, which was already scary. The rating was even lower than previous holiday episodes. So what was the problem? Well, it was headlined by Hogan defending the WWF title against Chris Jericho (as it turns out, the final time the "WWF" title was ever defended). Dave says the title has been meaningless for years now and Hogan's steam is running out. And Jericho hasn't recovered from spending the first part of the year being emasculated and playing second fiddle to Stephanie McMahon in the Wrestlemania feud. Add all that together and you've got a recipe for a shit ratings night. Among other things. Dave isn't blaming this all on Hogan and Jericho by any means, there's a lot of problems with the company as of late, from bad storylines to failing to make new stars, and it's all starting to come home to roost.
  • Keiji Muto wrestled a match in AJPW under his alternate gimmick of Kokushi Muso. Turns out "Great Muta" isn't his only other persona. The Kokushi Muso gimmick is basically like Hakushi in WWF, where he's covered his entire body in Japanese writing. He originally debuted the gimmick in Michinoku Pro last year, when teaming with....Hakushi (Jinsei Shinzaki, who occasionally brought back the old Hakushi gimmick in Japan). Anyway, same thing here. He teamed with Hakushi for this match, while using that gimmick (Muto would use that gimmick a handful of times throughout the years, always when teaming with Hakushi. It's like that was only his gimmick for that team. The last time he used it was in 2009, also in a tag match with Hakushi).
  • Former NOAH Jr. champion Naomichi Marufuji underwent knee surgery this week and should be out around 6 months (ends up being 9 months).
  • NJPW is doing an angle (according to Dave) similar to the Vince/Flair angle last year where Antonio Inoki and Masahiro Chono are battling over control of the company. Although it's more realistic. Inoki is in the press talking about how many of NJPW's shows aren't doing well and is pushing for them to use Naoya Ogawa more, while Chono doesn't want to. Inoki is also saying Chono needs to retire from wrestling and focus his energies on managing the day-to-day business of the promotion full-time. Dave says this is an angle, but it doesn't sound like much of one to me, and I think later years have kinda proven there was a lot of blurring between fiction and reality here, because there was a ton of behind the scenes turmoil in NJPW during this period.
  • Will Smith appeared alongside Antonio Inoki at the Japanese movie premiere for the film "Ali" based on Muhammad Ali's life. Crowd went absolutely insane for Inoki (I've tried like hell and can't even find a picture of them together. But then again, I can't find a single pic from the premiere at all).
  • When reviewing the recent Dos Caras Jr. shoot fight in Japan, Dave talks about the guy's potential as a wrestler. He has a strong amateur background, legit shoot skills, and a famous name. Dave thinks, if he's even halfway a decent worker, he can almost be a guaranteed star in Mexico (based on his name alone) and probably Japan too, if he decides to pursue that career (indeed he did, and indeed, he was fairly decent at it. Of course, he later became Alberto Del Rio, accused rapist and pretty much confirmed all-around piece of shit).
  • Former long-time WCW referee Randy Anderson passed away this week after a long battle with testicular cancer. Back when WCW was still around and he first got diagnosed, they did an angle out of it where Eric Bischoff fired him and then laughed at his wife and kids when they begged him to give Anderson his back. Of course, he was later re-hired when Flair became on-screen commissioner and continued to referee until 1999 when the cancer forced him to retire.
  • Random news and notes: Bobby Heenan is said to be in good spirits and is especially excited because WWE recently contacted him about doing a WWE Magazine feature on him. Verne Gagne's wife Mary passed away from cancer this week. Goldberg will be appearing on this week's Wrestling Observer Live show to be interviewed. Mil Mascaras is releasing an autobiography (in Spanish of course) and man, I'd love to find an English translation of that because I bet it'd be interesting. Chyna appeared on "Sabrina The Teenage Witch" this past week.
WATCH: Chyna on Sabrina The Teenage Witch
  • Bruno Sammartino turned down an invitation to attend the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame ceremony in New York (yes, that HOF existed and still does, in a different city now). Bruno did an interview with the local paper and said "Wrestling is how I made my living and supported my family, but it's over. I don't want anything to do with it anymore." Bruno managed to turn the discussion to the WWE, despite them not having any affiliation with this HOF and grumbled about how Vince McMahon blocked him from being inducted into the Madison Square Garden Hall of Fame. However, the new MSG owners have apparently promised Bruno he'll be inducted this year, since he sold the place out 200 times (Dave jumps in here to correct it and says the real number of sellouts is closer to 45. Bruno only main evented the Garden 127 times and by no means were they all sell-outs. But it's one of those myths that has been perpetuated for so long that Dave begrudgingly recognizes that people are always going to believe the 200 number is true, but it's not even close. He compares it to the claim that Andre The Giant was 7'4, which also wasn't true but people repeated the lie so often that it became accepted as fact).
  • Afa Anoa'i Jr., the son of the legendary Wild Samoan, is a star football player at his high school and is being recruited for Penn State. He also sometimes wrestles on his father's indie shows (that would be Manu, who was very briefly part of Legacy with Orton, Dibiase Jr., and Cody).
  • Former WCW announcer Scott Hudson will be doing commentary for Jerry Jarrett's new promotion, and Bob Ryder is said to be in a major front office position.
  • Jarrett has put out a press release saying that his new promotion has had talks with Randy Savage and Ultimate Warrior. Word is Warrior wanted a 15% ownership stake in the new company, which pretty much ended those talks right there. They're also apparently interested in Scott Hall now too, with the idea that since they're only doing 1 show per week, he won't be a screw-up here. Dave is skeptical. Anyway, currently Road Dogg and Brian Christopher expected to be some of the company's top stars and Dave's not optimistic.
  • XWF wrestlers were told last week that a television deal should hopefully be finalized this week. But Dave has been told no chance it's happening that soon. The rumors are that the deal is either with the FX or Fox Kids networks. Ted Turner had inquired about buying this promotion a few months ago, but when he learned how much it would cost to get them off the ground and make them competitive, he lost interest (TV deal never materializes, company is already dead, etc. etc.).
  • The Scorpion King slipped to 2nd place this week, falling to the new Spider Man movie which did a record breaking $114 million opening weekend. Randy Savage has a small role in that movie.
  • Speaking of, The Rock worked his first match in about a month at a Fort Lauderdale house show, teaming with Hogan to beat Jericho and Angle. After the match, Hogan tried to get Rock to pose with him, but Rock wouldn't do it. Rock thanked the fans for the success of Scorpion King and said it would likely be his last match for awhile. There was a ton of local media there, but Rock didn't talk to any of them. Basically, the house show was in his neck of the woods and he simply decided to show up and work it just so he could see his friends and hang out with the locker room, he had no interest in doing interviews. He was just there because he wanted to be. Backstage, Rock was telling people that Hollywood higher-ups have told him he has to leave the wrestling business if he wants to be taken seriously as an actor. Those in the company feel it's a certainty that Rock really is leaving and he's likely going to break out of wrestling into Hollywood and actually become a rare success story (yeah, you could say that).
  • Look how long this is already. Imagine if I had covered that Lou Thesz obituary in full. JUST IMAGINE!
  • Notes from Raw: Dave compares it to an episode of Thunder, with the crowd half-dead for everything. Also, the roster was exhausted after just returning from the Europe trip (and the plane ride shenanigans) and that was apparent too. Brock Lesnar won his match via pinfall instead of the usual ref stoppage and Dave says that word is Triple H got in Vince's ear and convinced him to end the ref stoppage gimmick for Brock. Sure, why not? Hogan was supposed to ride off on Undertaker's bike at one point, but then the motorcycle wouldn't start. It was one of those awkward live-TV moments where time stood still and nobody knew what to do. Flair finally turned heel on Austin, to a shocking lack of heat from the crowd. Nash returned, etc. Dave recaps the rest of this show and it sounds like a lot of bad WCW stuff, coincidentally enough with a lot of the same people.
WATCH: Hogan can't start the motorcycle
  • The man who played the effeminate gay guy applying to be Vince McMahon's secretary on Smackdown a few weeks ago was new creative team member David Lagana. He recently joined the company and has written for several other TV shows, including "Friends" and has a strong knowledge of the industry (Dave says if you've been reading the Observer closely for the last few years, you're probably familiar with him, he's written in to Dave a lot over the years).
  • Dave goes on a brief rant about how to use older stars. In the past, everyone, even Vince McMahon, talked about how you should use guys like Hogan and Flair in small doses and how WCW's reliance on older stars like that is what made them less special. Dave talks about back in the day in Memphis, Jackie Fargo would come back once or twice a year and he was always the biggest star in the company when he did. Because he was used sparingly. But WWE has pretty much built its company around Hogan and Flair (and to a lesser extent, Vince and Undertaker) over the last few months and they've been totally overexposed because of it. Just 6 weeks ago, Hulk Hogan was getting some of the largest crowd reactions in the history of the business. Now, he and Undertaker are practically hearing crickets during their on-screen interactions.
  • Lita underwent neck surgery this week and isn't allowed to do anything physical for 9 months. Scotty 2 Hotty also had neck surgery and is expected to be out for about a year. Both are expected to make full recoveries though.
  • Jesse Ventura admitted this week that he received WWF stock options as partial payment for some work he did with them. Dave doesn't know if it's related to the Summerslam appearance a few years ago or the XFL announcing gig. Ventura says he has 10 years to exercise those stock options but wouldn't give any further details.
  • Scott Steiner told WWA he will work their next UK tour but after that, he's going to WWE. Dave is skeptical. Reports are that Steiner was in horrible pain after every match he worked on the last WWA tour and there's significant doubt that his body will hold up to a WWE schedule.
  • The new Steve Austin "What!" DVD has a lot of WCW footage, including the full Austin vs. Steamboat match from WCW Bash at the Beach 94. Dave doesn't say so, but I believe this is the first time WWE used any of the WCW library for commercial release after they purchased it the year before.
  • Someone writes in and asks Dave to stop spending so much time writing about steroid use in wrestling and instead says he should write a story about racism in the business. This person writes about the allegations from years back of Dusty Rhodes using the N-work with impunity, or the time DX parodied the Nation by wearing blackface. The WCW discrimination lawsuit, the embarrassing angles they've done with Mark Henry such as Sexual Chocolate, etc. This guy is asking why is it white wrestlers outnumber black wrestlers by 35-to-1 ratio in the U.S. (70-to-1 in Mexico and 80-to-1 in Japan). He wants to know why Dave isn't writing about that stuff. Dave responds and agrees that the blackface DX promo was racist, and it was racist when Buff Bagwell did it in WCW and when Roddy Piper did it in the 80s. Dave says wrestling, especially from the 70s through the 90s, had a horrible history of exploiting stereotypes and/or saying and doing racist things. You can argue it's gotten better, but no doubt the problem still exists. Dave lists some examples but he also pushes back on some others. For example, he's heard people complain that Booker T isn't being used properly due to his race and Dave disagrees. It's true that Booker T probably deserves a bigger push, but you can make the same case for guys like RVD and Jericho and Raven or DDP (when he first debuted, at least) and that didn't happen either, so Dave doesn't necessarily think Booker's lack of top-star push can be blamed on his race (we're less than a year away from Triple H definitively proving otherwise).
  • There's also 2 letters about the Rock/Hogan match at Wrestlemania and they couldn't be more different. One guy writes in and he can't understand why people are praising that match because if you put aside the hot crowd, it was awful, everyone's moves looked bad, it was embarrassing, etc. and says Hogan should have retired afterward. Then someone else writes in and says he was there live and, taken as a whole, Rock vs. Hogan was the greatest match he's ever seen. Basically the same "love it or hate it" opinion people have about that match to this day. Also, someone else writes in about the recent Low-Ki vs. American Dragon match from an ROH show and puts it up there among some of the greatest matches of all time (listing off several classic WWF matches like Shawn/Razor and Owen/Bret at WM10 for example). So there ya go.
NEXT WEDNESDAY: more fallout from the Plane Ride from Hell, more on the beginning of Jarrett's new NWA-TNA promotion, more on the NJPW Tokyo Dome show, and more...
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Seen some pretty depressing posts on here, here's a success story:) (I hit the tinder dating lottery)

Ok so this post has 3 parts, my story, my strategy, and my advice to you all, mostly guys. 6ft, 25 years old black guy, slim build (used to be incredibly in shape), used to have more money than I knew what to do with, traveled, and pretty dry humor. Lives in Northeast USA.
My story So during lockdown, I matched with a couple girls while watching 90 day fiance. Met up with one (had fun, no sex, period), chemistry was on point, but trust and insecurities on her end killed it. Although she's always left the door open for me even as she flies to and from DC and SF frequently. Matched with another girl (2) who just rejoined tinder, her first day back, and we just clicked. Not going to lie, I was still playing the field, I assumed she was too because a lot of women from my experience do despite saying otherwise. Anyway, matched with a couple more, chemistry's there for most. Damn, having quality options is stressful as fuck as a guy. You go through weeks, months of drought, and boom, a bunch of women show up out of nowhere suddenly interested. If you don't pick one fast enough, they all drop you all at the same time, it's like they are all synced up, its soooo weird and unfair. Personally I don't know how some guys manage to have multiple people on rotation. It's like a full time job. Anyway girl 3 and I are planning a trip to LA and Phoenix deep into lockdown and then my money dries up from the stock market, I was really hoping NY would go down in flames and NVDA (Nividia, semiconductor company) would print gold. I timed it wrong and lost 90%. Girl 2 is even more interested in me now for some reason. We get really close. Turns out last guy really hurt her, and I was there at the right place and time, and listened. She ends up really trusting me. --I'm talking bout setting up joint investment accounts (she gave me her social security number, she could find out mine). She has access to the account which has all my money in the account. TD Ameritrade kept asking, dude are you sure you trust her lol, she could cash out and disappear with you're money. In this account, my profits have shot up. I'm a lot more conservative now that I know she can see my losses. --I'm talking bout, her offering to pay for everything to see me. --I'm talking bout her telling me when she found out she had a trust fund, the exact dollar amount, and when the split payments become available (27 yrs, 32 yrs, 37 yrs). She said just be honest and treat her good. --I'm talking bout her offering a 3sum with her female best friends who are all down. --I'm talking bout her offering her bank info and i'm like nahh i don't need it now lol (I made $1200 last monday on the stock market with nvda, I was complaining and asking if i can send her my profits so i don't overspend, she was like want my bank and routing info to wire it into. I was sooo taken back with how comfortable she is with me). Honestly, at this point, I really trust her. She's learned to compromise with my quirks (depression/lack of communication especially when I have a bad market day). I'm learning to deal with her very "real" life with some off the wall depression and other issues. She's the type of person you would have never guessed because they always seem so happy. We're not even in an official relationship... she's tried unsuccessfully by giving me ultimatums lol. She's kind of ok with it now, but I'm sure that'll change when covid fears go away.

Strategy Tinder Plus works in the sense that it puts you in front of new women before the avalanche of guys can penetrate her screen. You're basically paying for speed, options, and visibility. If you can afford it, boosts and super likes seem to work for me, less now than before. It speeds up matches as well.
Coffee Meets Bagel used to be the best OLD app 5 years ago but now they basically try to extract as much money out of guys as possible. For example, you can pay like $5 to send a girl a single rose pedal (6 i think completes an entire flower), but most women on the app often have over 100+ guys in line already, there's no guarantee she will even see you're grand gesture, or that she will match with you. 99% chance you lose all you're money.
Bumble had so much promise. As a guy we should all want bumble to succeed. They never will but we can dream. The problem with bumble is, after you swipe right on every women, you'll get 4 matches. The two woman you're least attracted/interested in will be the ones who message and put in real effort........... Maybe 1/2 you find attractive will send you a half ass hey message. Every. Single. Time. But usually they expire without a conversation going anywhere. I guess this is what a lot of women mean when they say quantity isn't always the best thing.
Hinge is pretty chill. A lot of women on the app surprisingly use it for hookups (please don't flood the app), a lot actually are open to some kind of relationships, it's refreshing. Not to sound like an asshole here but the app doesn't seem to have the most attractive base. I think it's largely where I am, because my god Pittsburgh is popping. As a normal guy, hinge may be you're best bet. I would pay a pretty penny to know what percentage of their base filters based on race and other characteristics but wouldn't admit it in person.
My advice This is going to go against what many people think but please don't give a fuck when you're on tinder or most of these apps. I feel like some of you are overthinking things a lot and stressing yourselves out. Find a good boilerplate message that isn't used to much, with fillers to swap out names, and you're on you're way. Claim ignorance if people say they've heard it before lol. I can't tell you just how many times coming in aggressive, not caring, or messaging with a tinge of assholeness has worked.
Keep you're bio short and simple. 5 things about yourself. 3-4 pics of yourself, 1 of you doing something or with friends. Steal (borrow) a dog. Claim you're terrible ex stole you're dog and xbox when ya'll split. Now you both have a common enemy (you're ex and her ex's). Shamelessly use everything to you're advantage. If you have a prestigious job, find a way to say it in you're profile. If you're in grad school, put that shit in, you've got vision and are going places! Put you're salary/income if you make a lot, trust me it works, if it's high enough for you're age and location, its the equivalent of saying you're a Harvard Alum, people sit up and take you slightly more seriously. Ex: $100k salary for a 22 yr old guy in Ohio is a flex. $150k for a 27 year old in SF? You might as well be homeless, $300k TC or GTFO (I'm joking, not really, coastal cities are expensive af).
Stop putting women on a pedestal, they are just people. Look we've all been there, especially if shes beautiful. But you would be surprised how much goodwill you get from some really attractive women for having the balls to approach, not say something stupid, not try to buy her, stand you're ground and not be a push over. For ex: I'll go out looking like a bum (it helps to have a Mercedes), approach a woman saying something dumb like, "let me guess, you are an overworked grad student?" If she's interested, she'll give you 20 seconds to shoot you're shot. Next thing you know, you're taking about her program, and how she just got back from xyz country, and has been in the peace corp or teach for america.
Don't be clingy. This one took me too long to understand. Say you meet someone you're interested in, the initial contact/conversation went well, don't linger. Give out you're contact, tell her to have fun with her friends and go do you. She will reach out and circle back if she's interested. If she's not, you at least got done whatever you wanted to and didn't waste you're time putting all you're eggs in one basket.
Honesty and directness does sometimes work.
Avoid people who don't want meetup within a week or two. The longer you spend talking without meeting, the greater the chance you'll never meet or you two won't work out. Honestly, if a woman want's to meet you, she will see you same day, and definitely same week. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you or is an outlier. Women who are extremely busy but interested will turn you down but will say I am free these days around these times. That's the key difference. If they aren't interested, they won't give you a chance. Chances are they're talking to someone else and or meeting up with another guy. Same rule applies during Covid. Seems like women in super liberal areas are the last holdouts. I remember complaining to my friend in Miami about women not wanting to meetup, she was confused because everyone in Miami gave 0 fucks, and were meeting up at bars/restaurants that everyone knew were open illegally. If you ask some women in DC and SF to meetup somewhere you'll get a lecture about how we're in a pandemic..... You do realize it takes at best 18 months to rush a drug, most usually take 10+ years before hitting the market. Are you really telling me you'll be the only person not meeting anyone for 18+ months while most of the country is going on as usual? (I disagree with how some southern states are handling covid/reopening).
Lastly dating for some guys in my opinion is wayyyy harder. But some of you complaining are a bit unbelievable. Like I sit back and think, man you white guys have it soo much easier than everyone else on these apps. Many women on these apps absolutely treat you guys better and prioritize over other groups. I've seen a run of the mill average white guy, getting bodies thrown at him, whereas say a black guy gets crickets. Unless said black guy embraces/fits the stereotype which is incredibly annoying. Or said black/latino/asian guy lives/visits an area where they are seen as a unicorn. For me, Newfoundland Canada, god's best kept secret gift to the world. Next is Tennessee, Iowa/South Dakota, small town America, and Bali.
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OBLIGATORY FILLER MATERIAL – BAR FIGHT? NOT WITH DOC BIONICFINGERS! Part one.

That reminds me of a story.
I’m going cooped-up crazy. Shacky-wacky. Hotel doldrums have set in.
Yes, I know. Es and I just got back from a resounding tour of a shipbreaking yard in India.
Flew way above First Class.
Never had to even touch our luggage.
♫Oh, what fun it is to charter flights. Limos all the way. Hey! ♫.
But, the hotel bars here are paling quickly. Quiet. Too quiet. Same old, dull, dazed, and dormant crowd. The Expat population in Dubai is dwindling mightily. The COVID craziness is a madness that is taking a heavy toll. Everything’s shut down. Everyone’s staying at home.
I’m almost nostalgic for a good old Dubai 35 car pile-up and traffic jam.
Es sees that I’m in a quandary. She had quite a few friends here in Dubai. The ones I had have all left due to cratering oil prices or they’re what’s considered an ‘essential employee’, and thus unavailable.
“ROCK! QUIT YOUR PACING!” Es says in her most inimitable manner. “YOU’RE MAKING ME CRAZY!”
“A thousand pardons, my darling. But, Boditek. I suffer! Klytus, I’m bored. Bored out of my fucking mind. I can only write so much on the Precambrian Hydrocarbon reservoirs of Eastern Siberia. Television’s a bust, there’s no Netflix, even Pirate Bay is blocked here, and I’m going spare!” I whimper.
“Go then. Begone with thee. Go find a dark bar and grab a seat on Mahogany Ridge. You need a night off. Just take your fingers with so you won’t scare the locals. And be home before they open the borders. We want to be first in line when that happens” she says.
“By your command!”, I say, grab her around the waist, give her a spin, a quick smooch on the cheek, and pat on the backside before I hit the stairs in our suite in a flat-out gallop to retrieve my now charged digits from their charging port on my nightstand.
A few minutes later…
Stately, plump Dr. Rocknocker came from the stairhead bearing three incredibly expensive technologically-derived Kevlar-ed digits. He was clad in his finest Desert Fox chino shorts, freshly cleaned and oiled field boots, a new pair of jade Merino Rannoch Luxury Country Socks, best new Hawaiian drinking shirt, a Blasting technician T-shirt and black, recently blocked, Stetson.
He was so full of himself, that he actually stopped talking about his own self in the narrative in the third person.
“Esme? Darling? I’m off!” I say with a lilt in my voice and a cheeseburger in my pocket.
But that’s another story.
“You’re off, all right”, Es chuckles. “Now Rock, remember. This is the first time in a long time I’m letting you off the chain, out unsupervised among the general population. Don’t break anyone if you can avoid it and even if someone needs a quick killing, remember, you’re on vacation. OK?”
“Oh, my dear!” I chuckle and snicker, “You know me. I wouldn’t kill anyone here in Dubai. There’s no money in it.”
“Still. Best behavior?” She admonishes.
“I can’t guarantee anything, but I will try,” I reply.
“Pinkie promise?” she requests.
Damn. One of the few fingers of which left I have a natural set.
Now I can’t say that it was just a Kevlar-coated contract.
“But of course”, I say as we entwine pinkies. Hers nice, clean, and pink; mine keloidal, gnarled, and scarred.
Yeah, it about makes me retch. But Es sort of enjoys these silly things now and again.
I’m waiting in the hotel bar for my cab to arrive. I have a quick Long Island Iced Tea or three before I hit the streets. I’ve got this weird hankering for a sports bar. Don’t know why. I hate football, i.e., soccer, cricket, and those other weird forms of ball chasing they call sports over here.
But I yearn to be in a bar full of leather, hewn wood, and smoke. Attended by the smell of manly men drinking as they see fit.
In Dubai? Fat chance.
I ask my driver, who has just arrived, and who will be with me all night; if he minds me smoking, having a drink in a plain brown wrapper, and if he knows of a decent sports bar in Dubai.
No.
Nope.
Quantum Sports Bar.
“It’s sort of pricey”, he tells me.
My driver for the duration is one Roy Toisuta, an Indonesian chap who looks like he fell off a charm bracelet. In reality, I could make up three of him. But he’s affable, quick on the gas and bound to be a boon companion.
He is wiry in that whipsaw sort of kill-you-with-a-paperclip-1000-different-ways sort of manner. Like the human personification of a gaunt wolverine.
We’ll get along famously.
He tells me he doesn’t drink for whatever reason. He announces that he would wait for me out in the car while I go in and do whatever one does in a Sports Bar in Dubai for a few hours.
“Look, Roy”, I say, “I’m on retainer. C’mon in and I’ll buy you dinner and all the coffee, tea, or fizz water you could want. I just need someone non-judgmental. See, I have this affliction. I’m an alcohol-fueled carbon-based organism. I tend to drink a lot, but only to excess. You have any sort of problem with that?”
“Well, Rock”, he says, “As long as we’re being honest, I have no problem. The way I see it, the more you drink, the looser your wallet becomes.”
“I don’t suppose you’d care to lay a small wager on that conclusion?” I ask, leerily in that strange way I have that makes Komodo Dragons gulp in disbelief.
“I’ll bet, after what you told me about your recent confinement, that I’ll be dragging and/or carrying you out of the bar tonight. “ he snickers, dreaming of my very loose wallet and its contents. “You’re going to be tying one on, I can see that.”
“You can see me. But you can’t see my past” I think.
“Well, you’re not drinking, so what’s in it for me if I win?” I ask.
“A free driver for the next week?” he asks.
“Want to make it a month? I’m really, really thirsty.” I sneer.
“Make it a fortnight.”, he laughs. “Easiest money I’ve ever made. I can barely hold you back.”
“Deal”, as we shake hands. He notices my gloves for the first time.
“What’s that all about?” he asks.
“Industrial accident years ago. Not terribly pretty.” I say.
“Oh. OK. Ready to go?” He asks.
“Gentlemen”, I announce, “Forward. Drink!”
Roy accepts a cigar from one of my travel pocket humidors and we walk up to the entrance.
“You be who?” asks the doorman.
“Well, my good man, I am the Motherfucking Pro from Dover, and this is my able-bodied companion, Kato”, I say in my most affected Elliott Gould imitation.
“What?” he asks trying to corral at least two functioning synapses.
“Pardons. I’m Dr. Rocknocker and this is my trusty driver, Roy.” I continue.
“Ah. What? Hmm? Who?” was the response.
“Oh, I am sorry. Which word confused you?” I asked, most deferentially.
“You trying to be smart?” he asks.
“Well, I reckoned that at least one of us should,” I replied.
He sat there and fumbled with that reply like a nun in a warm bathtub fumbles with a bar of soap. You know the type, she has hope in her soul…
As he struggles to come up with an answer, I offer him a cigar the likes of which I’m certain he’s never seen outside of a Hollywoo movie.
“Here, my good man. My card.” I say as I hand over a large example of the perfection of the tobacconist’s art.
He gratefully accepts the cigar and removes the rope barrier.
“Have yourself a good time, gents.” He says.
“Oh. We intend to”, I reply.
“Ever need anything, just ask for Sandeep” the towering Nepali remarks with a smile.
“Thanks. Have a night yourself…”, I reply and stuff another cigar in his shirt pocket for later.
He grins wide as Dubai Creek and just as brown. He shoots me a wide smile and a universal thumbs-up sign.
“Best to make friends rather than antagonize the locals”, I muse.
“You’re an odd bird, Doctor Rocknocker.” Roy chortles.
“Roy, it’s just ‘Rock’, OK? It’ll save both time and cuts down on CO2 exhalations. And I’m all for protecting the environment.” I smiled back.
Roy chewed on that one for most the rest of the night.
The Sports Bar was quiet. Fairly empty, with probably more wait-persons than patrons.
One particularly buxom specimen of the female side of the equation welcomed us in an overtly and obviously affected mien. She wanted to show us to a table that was within the sphere of her waitressy influence.
“No, thank you”, I said as I spied acres and acres of glistening unoccupied Mahogany with tens of unoccupied seats that both faced the long bar and the several large-screen televisions there.
Seemingly bereft of people to wait and prey upon, she ignored us roundly. To her financial detriment as we would all find out during the course of the evening.
I chose a likely looking seat at the bar and Roy joined me, cautiously, a seat or two away.
“I don’t bite, Roy”, I said.
“Social distancing”, he replied.
“Ah. Well, I have a fully functional immune system as well as the hardest working liver in the galaxy. I assure you I’m in no way communicable.” I replied, slightly miffed. “Besides, after that cab ride here, whatever ætiology I have, you have as well, and vice versa.”
He scooted over one seat but shuttled that seat back to the right about 15 more centimeters.
“Some folks just don’t like their personal space invaded”, I surmised.
I pulled out one of my cigar cases, a cutter, lighter, and a stack of currencies that I was going to try and get rid of that night.
I had freshly minted UK Pounds, Euros of many nations, Indian Rupees, Russian Rubles, Japanese Yen, Chinese Renmimbi, some Uzbek Som, Afghani Afghans, Argentinian Pesos, down under Ozzian Dollarydoos, Mongolian Tugriks, Omani Rials, a few Samoan Tālā, and a bunch of US dollars.
How I ended up with that last group remains a mystery.
Roy goggled at the stack of weirdly colored and weirdly wonderful currencies of many nations.
“Sorry, Roy”, I said, “No Indonesian rupiah. Haven’t been to Jakarta in a long time.”
“What the hell are those weird ones there?” he asked.
“Which ones?” I chuckled back.
It was at that time our reverie was broken.
The bartender, one Zac O'Madden, an Irish national currently working for the hotel to which this bar is attached, interrupts our nascent debauch and asks for our drink orders.
“Not so fast there!” I say. “Introductions first. We’re not savages here.”
Zac chuckles. “You’re obviously American.”
“Вы уверены в этом? [Are you certain of that?]”, I say in return.
Zac just stands there and laughs.
“Та үнэхээр итгэлтэй байна уу? [Are you really certain?]” I ask in Mongolian. “Ĉu vi vere certas? Bạn có thực sự chắc chắn?”
“You’re as Russian or whatever that was as I am Kenyan. Now I know it. You’re American.” He says assuredly.
“And you have this nasty habit of being correct. I’m Dr. Rocknocker, call me Rock. This slight but solid fellow to my right is Roy, late of Jakarta and Krakatoa, actually west of Java.” I snicker.
“And I am Zac O’Madden, of Dublin and points east. Nice to meet you all. What can I get for you?” he asks.
After we shake hands in a very manly, indeed, manner, I ask Roy what is his pleasure.
“A tall club soda with a twist of lime, on the rocks.” He replies offhandedly.
“You’ve done this before”, I observe rather unnecessarily. “Zac, Roy gets what he wants tonight, my tab. I’ll have a Sazerac, hold the sugar. Actually several. You see, on the flight over, I sat through another showing of ’Live and Let Die’, and now I miss Mardi Gras, New Orleans, and Pat O’Brien’s. But I don’t like sweet drinks.”
“Coming right up”, Zac says with a well-practiced swish of his bar rag.
“Oh, but I’m not finished. I’d also like a beer chaser. A pint of…ah, do you have a beer menu?” I ask, looking down the long row of tappers.
“Coming up”, he says, and races off to find me one.
A few minutes later he returns with my cocktail, Roy’s fizz water, and a bar beer menu.
I raise my glass to Zac and then to Roy. We clink and I say, “I like this guy. And I like this bar. We’re going to have us a large night.”
I drain my unsweet Sazerac in one go.
Hey. I was thirsty. Needs a scootch more absinthe I observe.
Roy and Zac just sort of stare, wide-eyed, as I peruse the beer menu.
Nice menu, nice diversity. Oh, very nice.
“I’ll have the Asahi Kuronama Black if you don’t mind. Plus another Sazerac, a bit more absinthe if you please. You see, I have this genetic condition I need to keep in balance.” I grinned.
Zac looked at me like I had some sort of adverse medical condition.
“You OK, Rock?” he asked most earnestly.
“Look, Zac, I just met you and you’re a hell of a tarbender, far be it from me to tell you your job, but you see, there is this…” I said, trailing off.
“Yes?” His was a look of genuine concern. The genuine concern he won’t own that pile of currency on the bar in front of me by the end of the night.
“Yeah. Genetics dealt me a weird hand. See. I’m an ethanol-fueled carbon-based organism…”
Roy just rolled his eyes.
Zac looked puzzled.
“Yeah, I require alcohol in good-tasting and heroic amounts on a regular basis. I also have to smoke huge, black cigars in order to moderate the bioreactor.” I smiled, as I leaned back and fired up a heater.
Zac looked at me. Chewed over what I said for a moment or two. He shrugged his shoulders, grabbed my empty glass, and said, “OK, whatever. Round two in moments.”
Roy went to ask me something, thought better of it, and just leaned over and grabbed my Zippo from Irkutsk.
He looked at the cameo-relief silver and amber city crest attached to the lighter, flipped it open, and tried firing up his cigar.
“They draw better if you cut the end first,” I said, absently; and not looking, just hand him my V-cutter.
Zac returns with a new Sazerac, a chilled bottle of Asahi Kuronama Black, a tall pilsner glass, and a new club soda for Roy.
I puffed my cigar, drained another Sazerac in one go, tried the Japanese black beer, and found it to my liking. I leaned back to observe what sort of sports carnage they were observing on the big screens.
Roy just looked at me with wide eyes but said nothing.
The evening wore on. After a couple or twelve more Sazeracs, I decided it was time to teach Zac the finer points of mixology via premium vodka, bubbly citrus, ice, and lime wheels.
I also found that they had a stock of Pabst Blue Ribbon 1844, from China.
“PBR!”, I almost yelled, “Holy wow! I grew up on the stuff.”
“Not this stuff, Rock”, Zac said, “Look at the price. We only got a small amount due to a shipping error. It’s not sold outside of China normally.”
It was UAE 165 per bottle, about US$45, and worth every dirham. Zak was amazed when I told him to go ahead and have one on Roy and me.
“Really, Rock?”, Zac exclaimed. “The usual buggers here are so tight, they hum when the wind blows. Hardly anyone buys me a drink. Except for you Americans. Finest kind.”
“That’s me. An international ambassador of amity and alcohol,”, I say and toast in his general direction. “Crack tubes!”
Roy was getting tired as a newt. Evidently not drinking, listening to old war stories, and watching recorded US Football games due to the COVID lack of anything live, can take its toll as well.
I’m going strong as I’m asking Zac to explain what the fuck cricket is all about.
“So, let me get this straight,” I say, ordering another double cocktail and a couple of PBR chasers for Zac and myself. “The guy on the mound runs up and pitches to the guy dressed in the body armor. He uses a bent 2x4 to defend the wicket, which, if I recall correctly, can be sticky. Then he keeps the aliens from stealing the stumps and burning them to ashes in Australia...”
“God”, Zac exclaims, “You’re fucking hopeless.”
“Everything I know about cricket I learned from the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the galaxy.” I smiled proudly.
“That was rather obvious…” Zac sheeshed. He left to attend to another patron, a loud and woozy Kiwi.
I looked at the source of all the bad noise and in my inattention, just clicked my full beer glass. I inadvertently violated Rule #1 and spilled a small soupçon of expensive, imported beer onto my left hand.
“Whoops!”, I said and stripped off my sodden left-hand glove. I used Zac’s bar towel to sop up the bar and dry my techno-digits.
Roy looked not only at my ‘whoops’, but goggled my Japanese one-off, so far, electro-fingers.
“Rock. What the hell, man. I mean, what the fuck. Are those for real?” he asked.
“Yeah, they are a new prototype and I’m the lab rat.”, I said, waggling them and seeing that something as mundane a beer spill could never possibly injure them.
By this time, Zac wanders back, sees I’ve used his bar rag, and looks at my hand for real for the first time.
“What the fuck, Rocko? You some sort of cyborg?” he asks.
“By definition; yes, I am. And my grandfather used to call me that. Thanks.”, I replied. “But, yeah, I’m an alcohol-fueled one at that,” I say, tapping and pointing rather pointedly at my currently unpopulated cocktail glass.
Zac returns with a reload. He and Roy demand to know the whole story.
“If you must pry…” I say.
“Oh, we must, we must”, they reply in unison.
So, I regale them with the tale of the Siberian rig. The blowout, fire, and the moderately overzealous Russian FNG.
“Rock, I don’t know if that’s true, but by your appearance, it has to be. Let me buy you a drink.” Zac says.
Roy asks for a Molson Light.
“Roy! You old fraud.” I said.
“I usually don’t drink. But after that story, I think I need something cold, wet, and with a little punch.” He said, staring at my hand.
“Then you’ve chosen well”, as I down another Rocknocker, sip at my PBR and snip a new cigar.
“Rock, can I ask you a question?” Roy asks. Zac is polishing our spot at the bar insistently. I think he has a question or two as well.
“Sure. Go nuts.” I reply, puffing on my new cigar and sipping this lovely amber 1844 brew.
He crouches conspiratorially and asks in a low sotto voce: “Is that why you drink as you do? To dull the pain? From the accident. That’s it, right? Isn’t it?” Roy asks, almost genuinely concerned.
I laughed loud and long. I chuckled, snorted, and had to calm myself with gulps of my beer and cocktail.
“Roy, Roy, Roy…I’ll let you in on a little secret. I’m from Baja Canada originally. I’m a multiply-degreed petroleum geologist. I’ve lived and worked in Russia for many, many years. And, as I’ve said, I’m an ethanol-fueled organism. Quadruple perfect storm. My fingers don’t hurt. Or they might, I have no idea. I don’t even know where hell they are.” I laughed at my own witty repartee.
Roy actually paled some. He took a long draught of his anemic beer and just stared at me.
Zac had disappeared. He presently returned with a bottle of Beluga Gold Line Vodka.
“Rock, after that, this one’s for you. On the house.” He said.
“Only if you will join me. And let me pay for yours.” I said.
Zac agrees.
The shnozzled Kiwi from previous in the narrative staggers by and hears the tag-end of our conversation.
He leans over to grab the expensive bottle of vodka and says “Don’t mind if I do.”
“None for you, asshole. You’re lucky I let you stay here waiting on a cab” Zac growls, and grabs the bottle away.
The Kiwi looks at Zac. He looks at Roy. Then he looks at me, my drinks, cigar, and the smaller pile of currency on the bar.
He may have been loaded, but something swam upstream against his internal current of booze and made him decide that right now, discretion was the better part of valor. He toddled unsteadily away.
“Asswipe”, Zac spits, “He’s here every other month. He pays for his drinks, but he can’t hold them. Never once tips or buys a round. General asshole. Still, management won’t let me toss nor ban him.”
“Some people”, I distastefully agreed and poured Zac and myself a healthy double-tot of the fine, smooth, and icy vodka. “I weep for our species sometimes.”
I insisted Zac join me. I asked Roy if he’d like a taste.
“Thanks, Rock. But you’ve already been too much of a bad influence on me.” he smiled, and tipped his almost empty pilsner glass.
“OK, no pressure. I may drink like a school of belugas, but if someone else doesn’t want to, I respect that all day long. Still, the offer stands.” I continue.
“I’ll think about it, Rock. I’m still not over how you can just sit there and joke about your cybernetic fingers and how you got them. I’d…I don’t know. I don’t want to think about it. “ he shudders.
“Want to see the scar on my leg where I got shot with a .45? Or the scar on my coconut from a hunk of falling ice on a drilling rig?” I asked.
“Fuck no!”, Roy almost screams. “What the hell. You held together by scar tissue?”
”That. Baling wire and Duct Tape.” I laughed, “And people wonder why I drink.”
“I thought so!” Roy exclaimed.
“I drink because I chose to. I can stop anytime. In fact, I stopped smoking and drinking once; by nothing more than sheer force of will.” I said proudly.
“Really?” Roy asked.
“Yep”, I replied, “It was the worst 45 minutes of my life.”
To be continued…
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I don't kick a footy, mate, and I don't sit in a coaches box. That’s the brave people who do that are doing that job. But I know that Redditors would want me back at this time. So I'll happily come back and do that. – The /r/AFL 2020 Collingwood Magpies season preview

History
Est: 1892
Premierships (VFL/AFL): 15
Last premiership: 2010
Grounds: Melbourne Cricket Ground, Marvel Stadium, Olympic Park Oval (training)
Key Administration:
2019 season overview
H&A Ladder position: 4 (15 wins, 7 losses)
EW Copeland Trophy (BnF): Brodie Grundy
Leading goalkicker: Brody Mihocek (36 goals)
All-Australian representation: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury (Adam Treloar named in initial squad)
AFL debutants:
VFL affiliate: Collingwood VFL (finished 11th in 2019; 7 wins, 11 losses)
2019 season review
Collingwood supporters such as myself had good reason to believe that the club could go one better from 2018. After losing the 2018 Grand Final in heartbreaking fashion, the club theoretically improved its list by re-acquiring a genuine A-grader in Dayne Beams at a premium, shoring up its key position stocks at bargain basement price with Jordan Roughead and exploiting drafting rules to acquire two top-30 talents in Isaac Quaynor and Will Kelly despite not having a live pick until pick 41.
Unfortunately, the home and away season could probably be described as lacklustre. Too often Collingwood relied on playing one really strong quarter of football before taking the foot off the accelerator for the rest of the game. This was evident in the game against Port Adelaide, ANZAC Day, the game against Sydney and the game against St Kilda. Eventually, the club went through a major form slump in the middle of the season, playing unattractive, stop-start football that was more characteristic of the non-finals years under Buckley then the exciting 2018. In the middle of this slump, however, the club delivered a memorable win on the road against West Coast, keeping them goalless for a full half to win by one point and down two players.
The club snuck into the top four by the end of the season, however this was more to do with a Hawthorn masterclass against the Eagles in Round 23 than genuinely being deserving of fourth spot. The two finals Collingwood played were representative of much of the season for the club – the Qualifying Final against Geelong proved the club could still put it together and match it against the best (Geelong having been minor premiers over the course of the entire season), however the Preliminary Final against GWS showed again that the players thought they could pull off a miracle win by playing one good quarter – this was not to be.
Nathan Buckley lamented following the Prelim loss that 2019 was “a wasted year.” Initially I thought this was being a tad harsh, but on reflection I think I agree with him. Collingwood had the elements to put everything together and win the premiership but squandered it for various reasons. The club again faced a huge injury list, with usual suspects De Goey, Elliott and Moore missing chunks of the season. First-choice fullback Dunn re-tore his ACL on his return in a VFL practice match. Langdon injured his knee (the details of which the club has refused to reveal) during halftime against St Kilda and missed the rest of the season. Beams missed much of the season with hip/shouldemental health issues and there continues to be speculation that he may never return to football. Wells sustained a PCL game in his one game of the season which ultimately caused his retirement before the season had officially ended.
As per usual, off-field issues distracted the club, including Stephenson copping a ten-match suspension for betting on Collingwood matches and Sier playing social basketball under a pseudonym despite being in rehab for a calf injury at the time.
Personally, I think much of the problem lies with very few players taking a step-up in their development like what had occurred in 2018. Phillips, Sidebottom, Thomas and Hoskin-Elliott were among the players that had exceptionally strong seasons in 2018 but struggled at times through 2019 (the latter, however, perhaps forgiven for having virtually nil pre-season). The midfield group also failed to connect and take advantage of Grundy’s dominance.
Having said that, there were some positives to take from the season. Grundy continued his trajectory upwards and ultimately had a career-best season. Roughead proved to be the bargain recruit of the year at fullback. Noble being uncovered in the mid-season rookie draft and being plucked from the SANFL proved an inspired choice. Wills saved his career by taking advantage of the spot that opened up for him in Beams’ and Sier’s absence.
Just don’t mention Crisp missing out on AA selection to me though.
2020 Playing List

Guernsey Player Typical position Games played Age at start of R1, 2020 Contracted until
1 Jaidyn Stephenson Forward 40 21 2021
2 Jordan De Goey Forward 88 24 2020
3 Isaac Quaynor Defender 4 20 2022
4 Brodie Grundy Ruck 132 25 2027 (UFA)
5 Jamie Elliott Forward 105 27 2021 (UFA)
6 Tyler Brown Midfielder 0 20 2020
7 Adam Treloar Midfielder 163 27 2025 (RFA)
8 Tom Langdon Defender 89 25 2021 (RFA)
9 John Noble (a) Defender 5 22 2021
10 Scott Pendlebury* (c) Midfielder 301 32 2021 (UFA)
11 Dayne Beams* Midfielder 177 30 2022
12 Matthew Scharenberg Defender 38 24 2020
13 Taylor Adams (l) Midfielder 132 26 2024 (RFA)
14 Darcy Cameron Ruck 1 24 2021
15 Lynden Dunn (a, l) Defender 196 32 2020 (UFA)
16 Chris Mayne Midfielder 217 31 2020
17 Callum Brown Midfielder 35 21 2020
18 Travis Varcoe Forward 221 31 2020
19 Levi Greenwood Defender 152 31 2020
20 Ben Reid* Forward 150 30 2020 (UFA)
21 Tom Phillips Midfielder 74 23 2021
22 Steele Sidebottom* (vc) Midfielder 234 29 2021 (UFA)
23 Jordan Roughead Defender 162 29 2020
24 Josh Thomas Forward 89 28 2021 (UFA)
25 Jack Crisp Defender 134 26 2023 (UFA)
26 Josh Daicos Forward 17 21 2020
27 Will Kelly Defender 0 19 2022
28 Nathan Murphy Defender 2 20 2020
29 Tim Broomhead (a) Forward 36 25 2020 (UFA)
30 Darcy Moore Defender 71 24 2020
31 Flynn Appleby (a) Defender 10 21 2020
32 Will Hoskin-Elliott Forward 119 26 2022
33 Rupert Wills Midfielder 15 26 2020
34 Trent Bianco Defender 0 19 2021
35 Jay Rantall Midfielder 0 18 2021
36 Brayden Sier Midfielder 18 22 2021
37 Brayden Maynard Defender 97 23 2022 (RFA)
38 Jeremy Howe (l) Defender 183 29 2021
39 Trey Ruscoe Defender 0 18 2021
40 Atu Bosenavulagi Forward 0 19 2020
41 Brody Mihocek (a) Forward 40 27 2020
43 Anton Tohill (a) Forward 0 20 2020
44 Jack Madgen (b) Defender 8 26 2020
45 Max Lynch Ruck 0 21 2020
46 Mason Cox Forward 58 29 2020
47 Mark Keane (b) Defender 0 20 2020
48 Tom Wilson (b) Forward 0 22 2021
\ - 2010 Premiership player*
a - Category A Rookie
b – Category B rookie
c – Captain
vc – Vice Captain
l – Leadership group
Outs for 2020
James Aish Traded to Fremantle
Ben Crocker Delisted (rookie drafted by the Adelaide Crows)
Lynden Dunn Delisted (rookie listed under SSP rules)
Tyson Goldsack Retired (now playing as captain-coach for Port Magpies in the SANFL)
Sam Murray Delisted (now playing for Williamstown in the VFL)
Daniel Wells Retired (now involved in indigenous recruitment and development at Collingwood)
Ins for 2020
Trent Bianco National Draft
Darcy Cameron Traded from the Sydney Swans
Lynden Dunn Rookie listed under SSP rules
Jay Rantall National Draft
Trey Ruscoe National Draft
Tom Wilson Category B rookie selection
Pragmatic_Shill**’s personal best 22 (+ 4 emergencies) for Collingwood in 2020**
B: Langdon* Roughead Howe
HB: Crisp Moore Maynard
C: Phillips Pendelbury Sidebottom
HF: Hoskin-Elliott Mihocek De Goey
F: Stephenson Cox Elliott
FOLL: Grundy Adams Beams*
INT: C Brown Treloar Noble Mayne
EMER: Thomas Varcoe* Sier Greenwood*
\ Confirmed unavailable for Round 1 2020*
Notes on this selection
Players to watch for 2020
Taken at pick 13 in the 2018 draft after matching a bid from GWS, Quaynor looms as one of Collingwood’s most exciting young prospects. He had to wait for a debut in 2019 and only played a handful of games before a foot stress injury sidelined him for the rest of the season, however the senior appearances he made showed that he fits in nicely to the backline. Quaynor unfortunately has already had an interrupted pre-season due to hip surgery, but is expected to be fit to play come Round 1. While he is an impressive young talent I personally have a concern about whether he and John Noble can play in the same side. Both are undersized defenders used to provide run off halfback, and I haven’t seen either of them deployed in the lockdown small defensive role that has opened up with Levi Greenwood being out injured and James Aish moving to Fremantle. Noble at this stage has more senior experience (plus finals experience) so it will be interesting to see how selection goes when both are fit and available.
Wills holds the record for most tackles laid on debut and in 2018 broke the record for fewest senior games played to reach 100 career tackles. At the start of the year, Wills’ card appeared marked for delisting given his inability to break into the senior side. He came in for a short stint in early 2019 to play a similar role to De Goey when De Goey was injured, however Wills isn’t as explosive and he struggled playing in the forward line. After being dropped, I thought that would be it for him, however an injury crisis with the midfield later in the year (including Beams, Adams and a lacklustre season from Sier) opened up a spot for him, and he played right through to the end of the season. Wills provided much needed grunt for a midfield that failed to live up to expectations for much of the season, and truly earned another extension. His 2020 campaign will be one to watch, as he only managed a one-year extension despite his impressive showing, and given he will be directly competing for a spot with the younger Sier, he is under pressure to continue his senior career. Nevertheless, when he does play he doesn’t look out of place and was an impressive player in weeks when so many others were substandard.
This selection is a bit out of left field, however I didn’t want to repeat last year’s selections of Tyler Brown or Nathan Murphy (even though I am excited to see what their 2020 seasons look like). A lot of regular VFL watchers over on the Collingwood BigFooty have been impressed with Keane, our Irish Category B key defender. Keane apparently is not afraid to be quite physical on the field and showed marked improvement as a lockdown defender through 2019 despite our VFL side being disappointing. Some have said he may even earn a debut in 2020, which would require a temporary senior promotion over the more experienced Category B in Jack Madgen. Watch this space.
Players on notice for 2020
Sier came into the 2019 season with a lot of expectation and excitement from Collingwood fans after his long-awaited senior debut in 2018 showed why Derek Hine rated him highly enough to be our first pick in 2015 despite being relatively unknown. Mystery soon set in during the 2019 pre-season however, as Sier found himself excluded from selection in both JLT matches, despite being fit enough to play in a VFL practice match the day before one of them. The club said he had little niggles such as rib and toe issues, however comments from Pendlebury about Sier needing to demonstrate his commitment to the team on-field raised some eyebrows about whether he was out of favour. When he finally earned his senior return on the Queen’s Birthday, he took the opportunity with both hands, however had disappointing showings for the few games he had after. Then came the infamous “Phil Inn” incident, where he played social basketball while meant to be rehabbing a calf injury. The club claimed he wasn’t banned from senior selection but didn’t even appear in the emergency list for the rest of the season. Despite this, he signed for a further two years. Given the amount of time he’s had on the list and the various challenges he’s faced in that time, you would hope the penny has dropped and he begins to show on a more consistent basis the type of player he can be. That’s up to him now, however he also faces the added challenge of beating an in-favour Rupert Wills for selection as the big-bodied inside midfielder.
I think Cox was unfairly maligned in 2019 – he missed many games, first through an ankle injury and then through a scratched retina, however ended up with the same goal output at the end of the season as he had for 2018 (a season in which he only missed two games). However, it’s clear that there are expectations being placed on him by the media and by Collingwood fans to more consistently show the type of game he had in the 2018 preliminary final. During the 2019 trade period, Collingwood brought in Darcy Cameron from the Sydney Swans, and while Cameron has only played one senior game of football, he is a more natural footballer than Cox and will be competing directly for his spot. Off the field, I feel that Cox has to prove his worth after the details of his contract came out during the same trade period after Essendon came knocking for him to fill their ruck spot. At the end of 2017, Cox signed a new three-year contract which elevated him to the senior list, worth $500,000 a year. At this time, Cox was a Category B rookie who had played a grand total of twenty games. His contract also stipulates that he only needs to play one more senior game for a fourth year trigger, and he’ll need to show a bit more if he’s to convince Collingwood supporters that he’s worth such a hefty price tag given the continuing narrative of our salary cap issues.
This is perhaps a cop-out answer but given the impending salary cap squeeze the onus is on the rest of the players out of contract in 2020 (particularly the ones that aren’t best 22) to step up and cement their spot in the side or prove their value to the squad. Some, such as Brody Mihocek and Callum Brown can probably consider themselves safe. Mihocek himself may prove to be challenging as he will require promotion to the senior list to stay and given he was a latecomer to AFL he may choose to take a significantly priced contract elsewhere if it was offered to him.
A number of players have been on the list for a number of years now, including Tim Broomhead and Josh Daicos, that would find themselves very much under the pump in 2020. Other fringe players like Appleby, Madgen, (both requiring senior promotion if they stay), Murphy, Bosenavulagi, Tohill and Keane face uncertain futures. There are also many players out of contract (Reid, Greenwood, Varcoe, Mayne, Dunn) that are in the twilight of their careers, and these players could be the first shown the door if the cap gets too tight. The problem with showing all five of these senior players the door at once, however, is that being gifted picks at the arse end of one solitary draft to fill the list spots might not provide the same quality of depth (even over a long period of time) that keeping some of the experienced veterans on would.
2020 fixture preview
Marsh Community Series matches
Date Opponent Home or Away Where Time
Sunday 1 March Richmond Away Norm Minns Oval 4:10pm (AEDT)
Sunday 8 March St Kilda Home Morwell Recreation Reserve 3:50pm (AEDT)
Notable matches during the 2020 Premiership Season
Date Occasion Opponent Home or Away Where Time
Friday 20 March Round 1 Western Bulldogs Away Marvel 7:50pm (AEDT)
Thursday 9 April Easter Thursday Brisbane Lions Away Gabba 7:35pm (AEDT)
Saturday 25 April ANZAC Day Essendon Home MCG 4:20PM (AEDT)
Monday 8 June Queen's Birthday Melbourne Away MCG 3:20pm (AEDT)
Bye: Round 13
Double-ups:
2020 season preview (expectations and concerns)
2020 shapes as a fascinating year for the club both on- and off-field. On-field there would be genuine expectations both internally and externally that the club makes finals and pushes for a flag for a third season in a row. Personally, I don’t feel that we have improved our list through trading or drafting and instead will need to rely on improvement from the existing players to take the next step. With the oldest list in the competition, it is time for the youth at the club to stake their claims more seriously through strong performances at training and in the twos, rather than wait for positions to become available by default through injuries at senior level. This requires genuine steps up from the likes of Brayden Sier, Tyler Brown and Josh Daicos, as well as a willingness of the coaches to begin managing the constant selection of older players.
Our opening month to the season is as tough as it gets, and may define how the rest of the season plays out. If we start 0-4, I wonder how much of a hit to the self-confidence it will be and our ability to recover.
Off-field, as mentioned, list manager Ned Guy will have his work cut out for him in trying to balance a large out of contract list with players wanting and genuinely deserving substantial pay days, and there is a reasonable chance we could see significant changes to our list at the end of the year which will ultimately have a flow-on effect on our ability to contend in the following years.
The club continues to be distracted with undesirable media stories and the ongoing issue of Beams returning to the club continues to drag on. I get the feeling personally that there is a power of work being done behind the scenes to end the contract that still has three seasons left to run, both for the good of the club and for Beams’ wellbeing. While that is ongoing, however, it remains an unnecessary distraction and a sore reminder that the President continues to be too involved in the administration of the football department.
All in all, I think Collingwood will stay in the 8 but would not be surprised if they fall short of top 4. I don’t see the potential for improvement that I do from other clubs around the same mark. The year will be a positive one, however, if we begin seeing signs that the club can develop a strong side to transition into the ever-close “post-Pendlebury era.”
Thank you to the guys doing the St Kilda season preview for adjusting their schedule to allow me to recover from surgery and complete this.
Thanks for reading the 2020 season preview for the Collingwood Magpies.
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American Football | Badminton | Cricket | Olympic Sports | Tennis

American Football | Badminton | Cricket | Olympic Sports | Tennis

American Football

Various games are more pervasive in different nations in various areas. Football has gotten the most mainstream on the planet. Be that as it may, the game’s world in the United States is a little unique and various with regards to territorial ubiquity. At the point when Europe is in the pains of football and tennis, Americans are engrossed with baseball, b-ball and golf. Be that as it may, and still, at the end of the day the prevalence of football there isn't at all low. In any event, the venture, the onlooker participation in the arena, and the fame among the overall population demonstrate exactly how famous American football is in America.

American Football
In such a large number of numerous games, American Football (NFL) has facilitated the best occasion in the United States. American football is presently the most famous game in North America. Numerous individuals botch this game for rugby. Albeit American football is played uniquely in America, rugby is acclaimed everywhere on over the world. There are a lot a larger number of contrasts between these two games than just regular ones.

Badminton

The ball is referred to around the globe as an exceptionally well-known game. The game is played on both indoor and open airfields with round, orange balls, known as b-ball. As a group activity, the main role of b-ball is to gather focuses by tossing the ball into a bushel set vertically on the court.

Badminton
The sport of b-ball is played between 2 groups. Also, this is the motivation behind all. Besides, the group that gathers the most focuses is proclaimed the champ of the game keeping all the particular guidelines of b-ball. Ball groups as a rule comprise 12 players, however five players can play on the court during the game. B-ball is played along these lines.

Cricket

Cricket beat the rundown of most famous games on the planet today, particularly in Asia. The current administering assortment of cricket is the ICC (International Cricket Council). Who controls and implement all parts of cricket. Additionally, the sport of cricket has progressed significantly as far as a prominence at present. Cricket is played in 3 configurations, ODI, T20, Test Cricket Match. These three organizations vary from each other. ODI cricket is essentially a 50 over the match, T20 coordinates is 20 overs, and Test cricket is five days, however it has a ton of rules and meetings; in all regards,

Cricket
it regularly finishes before Test cricket 5Days. Can go In cricket, there are two groups, and each group has 11 players. And afterward, there is the light. The individuals who bet, have two players on the field, the contrary side has 12 individuals on the field. Eleven give handling, and the rest one does the ball. Moreover, there is one sort of cricket consistently, which is the reason cricket is so well known these days.

Olympic Sports

The Olympic Games are a worldwide game rivalry held in summer and winter. In this game, contenders from various nations take an interest in different kinds of games. With the support of in excess of 200 nations, the Olympic Games are viewed as the biggest and most renowned rivalries on the planet. The Olympic Games are held like clockwork. There are two sorts of summer and winter rivalries at regular intervals, which implies that the Olympic Games are held pretty much like clockwork. The Olympic Games' history goes back to the antiquated Olympic Games,

Olympic Sports
which started in Olympia in old Greece in the eighth century BC and offered to ascend to the possibility of ​​the current Olympic Games. In 1894, Baron Pierre de Kubertan framed the principal International Olympic Committee (IOC). This IOC controls all exercises identified with the Olympic Games.

Tennis

Another mainstream sport today is tennis. Yard tennis is likewise known in numerous nations of the world. Any individual who partakes in this game is known as a 'tennis player.' Tennis requires a wired bar known as a 'racquet,' A ball, and work. The Wimbledon Championships, the Australian Open, the French Open, and the US Open – the four significant tennis competitions,

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held at explicit occasions every year. Every one of these rivalries is known as the Grand Slam rivalry. Tennis is generally played in two different ways: – Single (one versus one) Double (two versus two) Likewise, in copies, the group of people is known as Mixed Doubles. Where the sport of tennis is held is known as the tennis court. In this article, I have attempted to feature a portion of the famous games. I trust you like it. In the event that you like it, if it's not too much trouble offer and remains close by. Much appreciated.
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The Home Run

I was twitching somethin' real fierce. My hands clammy against the wooden bat. Sweat soaked into the grooves. My tongue licked salt off my lips as I bounced nervously on the balls of my feet. It was the heat of summer. A cloudless, humid evening and we were in the last inning of a pick-up baseball game. Just me, the neighborhood boys, and Emma: all together on an overgrown field behind my house. Bases were worn towels and the end of the field was marked by the start of the woods.
I was up to bat with two outs and a runner on third. Our teams were tied, but that had little to do with my case of nerves. See, Davies was the pitcher and Davies hated to lose. Sometimes, he'd hit the batter on purpose. Make 'em flinch. He would say.
Well, I was poised like a wounded bird facing a hungry tom cat. Twitchy, nervous, ready to jump out of the way. Davies knew it too That smug smile said it all. He wound up the pitch and I went all cotton mouth, steeling myself to stay where I stood. He threw the ball. I closed my eyes. Swung the bat.
Thwack.
The bat shuddered in my hands as it struck the ball. I opened my eyes, ready to run, but then saw everyone staring back in shock. Oh, no. Had I hit it into the woods? The woods were bad news. Coyotes lived there. You could heart them howling at night. The woods were off limits. We'd lost four balls to it this summer and numerous pets. Heck, I'd helped Emma put up missing flyers earlier today for her lost cat. But they weren't looking at the woods. They were looking at my neighbor's backyard. I'd hit a wicked foul ball into Ms. Palmer's garden. Oh, boy…
Every neighborhood has the creepy old person who lives alone. We had Ms. Palmer instead. Willowy and kind, she tended to her garden and the flowers grew high above her fence. Award winning, she called them and it sure was true. She'd won at the state fair numerous times and mama said she sold her flowers to brides. She was nice enough when we passed by on the sidewalk, but she had a strict "no trespassing" rule. She didn't need "no kids tramplin' on her flowers". She kept her garden closed and gave us a harsh glare the one time our baseball had slapped the brick of her fence. Shaken her hedge clippers at us as well.
"Marcus!"
Davies voice shot across the field. He pointed to Palmer's garden. "Retrieve the ball. It's our last one."
I wanted to say no, but what if the ball had damaged some of her flowers? She'd know it was us and you could bet she'd be at mama's front door tomorrow morning demanding our heads for ruining her garden. No, it was best to sneak in and grab it now. Remove the evidence. Better than spending the rest of summer indoors grounded doing chores. Besides, how far could the ball have gone?
"Bet!" I shouted back to Davies. He blinked in surprise at my willingness, but I knew every one else would be too chicken to do it. Before I could think of any reasons not to retrieve our ball, I dropped the bat and headed over to Ms. Palmer's fence.
I reached the iron gate and paused, one hand resting on the cold metal. Sunflowers stood tall above me, their eyeless faces gazing blindly at the setting Sun. Suddenly, I felt unsure of heading in there. Now that I was close, I still couldn't see the ball and the walls of the garden were already draped it in shadows. But it was too late to turn back now. I took one final look at my friends, then lifted myself over and into the garden.
The harsh drone of buzzing insects and chirping crickets drowned out all other noise. A wheelbarrow of nasty smelling mulch sat to my left and the sunflowers stood to my right. Thin vines of vegetation crawled along the brickwork, forming a barrier between the garden and the outside world. I stepped forward, eyes scanning the dirt for a white ball. I passed a tin of water and food bowl and frowned. I didn't know Ms. Palmer owned a pet, but I supposed the old lady needed some company. My granny had three cats and a tank of fish in her home.
What if she owns a guard dog? The image of a big Rottweiler patrolling the garden sent a shiver down my spine. You gotta find that ball fast. I trudged forward, wiping my hands against my T-shirt. Out of the corner of my eye I saw a white form amongst a row of purple flowers. Success! I darted for it and pushed the flowers aside with one hand while the other grabbed the fuzzy white ball. A white cotton tail. The white fuzz fell apart in my hand as I saw the corpse it had been attached too. Flies coated its fur, forming a writhing black second skin. I stepped back in shock, tripping over my feet. I reached behind me, fingers flailing for some form of support. They hit rough wood and I managed to steady myself. I looked back and gasped out loud. My hand rested on a giant box shaped trellis covered in a thick bush of uneven leaves and translucent white fruit.
Poison Ivy.
My hand shot away as if burned. Leaves of three, let them be. My aunt Beatrice's rhyme sang in my head as I stood back and gaped at the monstrous bush growing along the trellis, overtaking the flowers below and choking the life out of them. Ms. Palmer was cultivating this? I looked around to see if she had any other surprises, but outside of the dead rabbit, the other flowers looked just as show worthy as my mama claimed.
Still…I needed to get the heck out of here. Not before you find that ball. I circled around the garden path and that's when I noticed the broken glass. Her house had a row of basement windows under the stairs and one of them had a ball shaped crack in the center. I edged closer and sure enough, in the fading light, there was the baseball. It lay against the grey cement floor like a star in the night. Oh, heck. Trespassing in someone's garden was one thing but actually entering her house? That was a whole 'nother level. Nerves pulsed across my skin, but man, I was ready to tackle it. The consequences of Palmer finding it in the morning outweighed my fears. I crouched next to the window, undid the lock, and pulled it up. The opening was just big enough for me to squeeze through. I turned on my stomach and slid backwards into the basement.
The first thing that hit me was the smell. Awful enough that I gagged right on the spot. I pulled up my shirt to cover my nose. Then, I noticed the collars. The wall was lined with them: all colors and sizes. Red ones. Blue ones. Spiked ones. A vomit of color against a cement wall. I walked over and saw a batch of silver tags attached. Some on a wooden counter. I read off the names.
Snowball.
Archie.
Rudy.
Buttons.
All animals that had gone missing in our neighborhood. Oh Jesus, she's killing pets. The mulch. I took several steps back and tripped over my own feet. I crashed into a stack of boxes. Splintered bones fell out of one. I nearly screamed.
The light to the stairs above clicked on. Oh no. Oh no. She's coming! I stood up and glanced around. Too late to climb out. I dashed beneath the stairs and cupped a hand over my mouth.
The door to the basement opened. Light shined down the steps like a floodlight. I wanted to cry. Thump. Thump. Thump. Palmer's feet came into view as she hurried down the stairs. I could make out her grey hair wrapped up in a tight bun as she inspected the fallen boxes, the bones…the baseball. When she saw it, she hissed.
"Filthy kids. I'll - oh." She broke off as she saw the open window. Her figure went stiff. I ducked as she spun around, surveying the room. "If you're still here. You'd better come out now." She said. She grabbed a pair of long hedge clippers from her tool table. What is she--Palmer stabbed through the row of boxes in front of her.
"Come out. I'll make you part of my garden." She said. "Perfect for my begonias." She stabbed another hiding spot. My mouth dried up. I wiped my palms against my pants. Get out. Get out now. But I couldn't move. Palmer swept the hedge clippers down in an arc. Metal scratched cement. She turned her back to me.
Now!
I ran. Dashed around the railing. Up the stairs.
"Don't you dare!" She called behind me. I banged through the door upstairs. Back door! Back door! I blindly stumbled forward. Shoes thumped against tile. I was in the kitchen. Door. There's the door! I fumbled with the lock. The door swung open and I leapt down the steps, turned to the gate.
And there she was. Blocking the way out. She had climbed out the basement window to cut me off. She was holding the hedge clippers in both hands. I ran. Further into the garden. Place to hide. I needed a new place to hide. But the flowers were too short. Too thin. Too obvious.
The poison ivy bush came into view. Tall, thick, dark. No time too think, I ran towards its outstretched leaves. They reached out to grab me and drag me into its protection. I crouched against the back wall of the trellis, a single leaf caressing my cheek as the other leaves lay against my arms, legs, and hands. Seconds passed. Palmer came into view. She hacked away at the flower beds across from me.
"Where are you?" She said, snipping several sunflowers in half. "Where are you?" I stayed in place, my legs ached from crouching. My face itched, but I didn't dare move to scratch it. Didn't dare reveal where I was. Ms. Palmer hacked at several more plants before hurriedly walking to another part of the garden.
I waited. I waited until the Sun sank low and the fireflies came out. 'Til it was too dark to see the sunflowers across from me.
And then I ran. Unforgivably fast. I leapt over the gate and fell hard against the grass. I pushed myself up and ran all the way home. Past my friends sitting on the porch. Past my mama in the kitchen. Up the stairs. To my room. I didn't come out for the rest of the night.
Didn't leave the house for another week after the rash came in full force. Didn't see anyone either.
Not until Ms. Palmer stopped by. She came with a bouquet of flowers. Said she had a surplus. Mama took them and hurried off to the kitchen for a vase. Ms. Palmer stood in the doorway eyeing me. I stared back. She pulled the baseball out of her pocket and smiled. Coldest smile I'd ever seen.
"We can both keep our secrets, trespasser." She whispered and I knew. Knew she'd cleaned up her secret. Knew if I ever said anything she would get me for breaking and entering. So I kept my mouth shut.
I kept it shut for ten years. Ms. Palmer ended up dying four months ago. People still rant and rave about her garden. It grows tall and beautiful in the summer. Such a fine, lively garden.
But I know.
That garden is where the dead things grow.
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/r/religion - "Why do people hate Jehovah's Witnesses?"

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Submission Why do people hate Jehovah's Witnesses?
Comments Why do people hate Jehovah's Witnesses?
Author foxdawnstar
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Posted On Thu Jul 09 18:55:30 UTC 2020
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They dont war, vote, cuss do drugs etc...

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Author PoopInMouthIsBad
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You’re a JW aren’t you?
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Author Namelesstruthseeker
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As someone raised in that religion. It strips you of personality. You are taught the world is under the devils control. All your friends not part of the religion will die at Armageddon. That is why JWs preach. If you are anything but heterosexual life is even worse. They are openly homophobic even though they profess they aren’t. Oh and as mentioned there is a huge pedophile problem within congregations (churches). Only the elders (sort of bishop in other churches) are told if someone has past incidents. All other people in the congregation are not told if someone is a pedophile. I could go on but it’s easy to search why JWs are hated.
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Author Lirille
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"Hate" is a bit of a strong word, but I'm not a big fan of proselytizing and peddling in general. Be it from JWs, hare krishnas, political parties, car salesmen... The fastest way to make me dismiss whatever you're saying outright is trying to sell me something I was not looking to buy.
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Author stilllovesjah
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Many people hate dangerous cults like Mormons, Moonies, Jehovah's Witnesses, or Scientologists. And for good reason!
Specifically for JWs, they're currently refusing to take responsibility for the 1000+ cases of pedophilia they covered up in Australia.
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Author Shihali
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A big one used to be, or still is, that Jehovah's Witnesses are against patriotism. They won't pledge allegiance to the flag and have gone to prison rather than serve in the national military when called up in the draft.
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Author papa_krush
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They won't salute the flag yet the president of this religion back in ww2 wrote a letter telling Hitler he was doing a swell job gathering up all the Jews....but then Hitler also went for the JW's so they don't like him no more lol
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Author rivermannX
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Where do you get that people hate Jehovah's Witnesses?
No one I know hates JWs. I hate the Organization.
They break up families. Meddle with UN and OSCE. Drink lots of alcohol. Protect pedophiles...
I've known my share that do "cuss" and "do drugs." Lot's of drugs. But they are real good at keeping it under wraps. All for "appearances" sake.
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Author NemoKeir
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I would assume it is because they aren't very relatable.
We like our violence. We like our drink. We like our vulgarity, and sex.
Jehovah Witness represent everything we aspire to be like, but never actually bother being like.
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Author RobotConvert
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are instructed to not read or watch anything that isn’t approved by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
Wt, 6/1/1967, pg 338,
"...in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing."
[Tony Morris (2015 Annual Meeting)]Jehovah’s Witness Governing Body Member Tony Morris III telling Jehovah’s Witnesses to only stick with what they have approved.
here’s some info:
[JWFacts](http://jwfacts.com) is a great site that brings up the history and information of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society.
YouTube has many former JWs also:
exJW Critical Thinker
exJW Analyzer
John Ceders (aka: Lloyd Evens)
StopTheShunning
Child rape/molestation/abuse info:
Below are links and short understanding of what the links are.
Australian Royal Commission Case Study 29: Jehovah’s Witnesses Jehovah’s Witnesses were not the only group that was investigated. See the main page to see other religious and non-religious groups who come in contact with children who were also investigated.
See page 58 of the PDF of case study 29 for the information on the 1,006 alleged perpetrators. You may also use the key word “1,006” in your search bar as well.
Video of Case Study 29
Shepherding the Flock of God book is for elders and those who are allowed to have this book. The rank and file and women aren’t allowed to have this book. This Letter for the Body of Elders concerning binding the elders book was sent from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society as there was a lapse in elders allowing others to see this book, even just for binding it.
This is the latest Shepherding the Flock of God 2019 Edition. It wasn’t released at the time of the ARC, but it was leaked February 2019 and may be informative in what changes there are into comparison to the one released during the ARC.
Shepherding the Flock of God (April 2020 Edition)
Deeper into the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, the Branch Organization 2018 is a internal document that even local elders may not see.
Here’s the latest Watchtower Magazine Study Edition (May 2019). The link provided is the official link used by The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses. See the article “Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness” on child abuse. This article was studied by Jehovah’s Witnesses between July 1 to August 4, 2019.
Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning policy.
Watchtower Bible & Tract Societyown lawyer saying that disfellowshipping doesn’t break up families.
Longer video here.
Here’s a video (2:30 minute mark) at a annual meeting where a shunning video was released iirc.
So what the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their leaders at the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society are doing is saying publicly that shunning doesn’t break up families, but internally amongst the group it really does. It is used as a way to keep control.

No matter what false teachers say, we will not follow them! We have no reason to listen to people who are like wells with no water. Those who listen to them will be disappointed. We are determined to be loyal to Jehovah and to his organization. This organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God’s Word. — Isaiah 55:1-3; Matthew 24:45 Watchtower 2011 July 15 p.12 para. 8 Simplified Ed.
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Author redditing_again
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Try asking a JW at your door whether they believe only JWs will survive Armageddon.
Then read the Oct. 2019 Study Edition, pg. 11, par. 14:
This means trying to motivate people to make the truth their own by applying what they learn, dedicating their life to Jehovah, and getting baptized. Only then will they survive Jehovah’s day.​
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Author Distinguished-Duck
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Regarding the first point, it's clear you're not familiar with what exactly the Royal Commission found. Because there was no police report for any of those cases. I encourage you to read the report.
It sounds like all you read is the sensationalized headline. To say none of the cases were reported is categorically false. You can go read the report yourself but here's some facts that contradict your claims right from the public inquiry's submission:
  • "383 alleged perpetrators had been dealt with by either police or secular authorities in the respective States or Territories in which they reside."
  • "Similarly, the case files record that 161 of the alleged perpetrators recorded in the files had been convicted of a child sexual abuse offence."
  • "There is no evidence before the Royal Commission that the Jehovah’s Witness organisation either had or did not have a role or any involvement in bringing to the attention of secular authorities any complaint of child sexual abuse that was investigated by secular authorities." Meaning they don't know who reported these because reporting is often done anonymously. But the bottom line is hundreds of the 1006 cases since 1950 were reported contrary to your assertion.
And instead choose to believe there's a global conspiracy to discredit your religion in spite of no evidence of that existing, well that's a level of blind faith I could never accept.
  • Blind faith would be believing uncorroborated and anonymous conjecture over clear written evidence to the contrary.
  • Blind faith would be believing a vocal anti-Witness group that clearly has an agenda to demonize an entire religion. You just have to see all the brigading that happens when Witnesses are mentioned in random subreddits as was the case in this very thread.
  • Blind faith would be believing a sensationalized headline over clear evidence to the contrary.
You also still haven't explained why you think it's OK for Jehovah's Witnesses to discriminate against women and gay people, or allow people to die when blood could save them.
What do you mean I still haven't explained these things? It's the first time you're mentioning it. Regardless, I won't take your bait and change the subject.
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Author lescannon
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Hate is too strong a word, but I dislike spending time with them.
I found many of them to be smugly obnoxious. For example, when I went to my grandmother's funeral service, at a Kingdom Hall, I was introduced to this one guy, roughly my own age. He asked if I believed in God. When I answered honestly that I do not, he said immediately in a very condescending manner, "Sure you do."
Sure, most religious think they are the most correct, but I have heard contempt or ridicule in the voices of many Jehovah's Witnesses for people who believe differently than they do.
When they knock at your door and you say "I am not interested in converting", they lie to you by saying something like "We're not here to convert you." They have the term "Theocratic Warfare" which justifies lying to people who do not have the right to know. The only way that I can think that they can think I don't have the right to an honest answer is if they don't respect me as a person at all - and I think that is largely the case.
They are also dishonest in discussions. They will say that they really want to hear what you have to say, but they really just want to argue their teachings, because they think they already know all the answers. They are not really interested in learning from people who aren't Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Author FugoRanshee
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Why do you say "they"? Aren't you a JW?
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Author 951753951753
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Seems like you are misinformed. Here is the PDF version of Millions Now Living Will Never Die a book published in 1920 written by your beloved J. F. Rutherford: https://www.jwfacts.com/publications/Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die-33m.pdf

Have you read any of the Studies in the Scriptures volumes? They were written by Rutherford as far back as 1886 and the last volume was released in 1917 after his death. Obviously God wouldn't let Rutherford, the leader of the one true religion on earth, publish anything that was not guided by holy spirit. That makes it especially fun to learn that he was inspired to write that the year 1914 can be verified by taking measurements of the Great Pyramid in Giza. I bet you didn't know JWs used to believe that, did you? Of course, there was much more to learn about the world from the pyramids than just the 1914 year, so I'd recommend reading through them yourself. It's full of insane prophecy. Though you could purchase a set on eBay, most Kingdom Halls still have a set.
That's the kind of information the JWs won't continue to publish on their website.
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Author AccordingE
Posted On Fri Jul 10 03:14:13 UTC 2020
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They're more of a cult than religion. You are not allowed to think for yourself, if you become one all your actions are judged and in many cases disciplined (I was pulled into a back room over wearing a skirt that sat just above my knee at 17). If you decide to leave the whole community shuns you, and for people who were raised in it, this literally means every single person they know so leaving isn't always something they're confident enough to do.
Also as mentioned elsewhere they protect predators, look into the Australian Royal Commission which resulted in the "Redress" scheme to help victims of child sexual abuse received compensation and apologies for the institutions as fault literally every religion/organisation in the country except 6 joined, Jehovah's witnesses being one of them.
And I also speak from my own personal experience of reporting sexual abuse from an elder to the other elders, only to be pulled into a room with him and his wife to discuss the validity of my "claim" and be told I had no witnesses. He is still a Jehovah's Witness today.
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Author can-i-be-real
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I see. Thank you for your response.
So, If you were explaining disfellowshipping to a non-Witness, would you say, “Normal family relationships remain, with the exception of a spiritual relationship,” with no other qualifiers?
Edit: also, just a heads up, but I think you accidentally copy/pasted the same definition twice. I don’t think you meant to, but I know what you’re getting at.
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Author FugoRanshee
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They are very clear that a second witness is required only administering internal discipline. They state that dealing with crime is the responsibility of secular authorities. Are you complaining that they don’t disfellowship people without corroborating evidence?
Not at all. In my case, the fact that there was no internal administration of discipline was clearly meant to be the complete end of the matter. It was strongly implied, or directly told to everyone involved, including my parents and the parents of all the other victims of my perpetrator, who had also brought forward their own, separate cases, that the subject was closed. Anyone talking to secular authorities would be bringing reproach on Jehovah.
Luckily, I told a friend, who told his uncle, who then reported to police and the guy was jailed for molesting 15 boys.
Then he was disfellowshipped.
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Author can-i-be-real
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I’ll give it a shot, if you answer one question for me: If one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is disfellowshipped, would you explain it by saying that they will maintain normal family relationships, other than the accepted loss of a spiritual relationship as a consequence of their decisions?
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Author 951753951753
Posted On Fri Jul 10 20:37:17 UTC 2020
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Can you give some examples of lies that are told about JWs? You can start with just one.
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Author Distinguished-Duck
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I have no idea what you are quoting.
The report by the Commission -https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-07/case_study_29_-_findings_report_-_`jehovahs_witnesses`.pdf
  • Page 60 states "383 alleged perpetrators had been dealt with by either police or secular authorities in the respective States or Territories in which they reside."
  • Page 60 further states: “Similarly, the case files record that 161 of the alleged perpetrators recorded in the files had been convicted of a child sexual abuse offence.”
  • Again on page 60: “There is no evidence before the Royal Commission that the Jehovah’s Witness organisation either had or did not have a role or any involvement in bringing to the attention of secular authorities any complaint of child sexual abuse that was investigated by secular authorities." Meaning they don't know who reported these because reporting is often done anonymously. But the bottom line is hundreds of the 1006 cases since 1950 were reported contrary to your assertion.
How do you reconcile what you're saying with what Jehovah's Witnesses themselves say? From the 2006 tract The End of False Religion Is Near: Even churches that condemn immorality have tolerated religious leaders who have sexually abused children. What, though, does the Bible teach? It plainly states: “Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men . . . will inherit God’s kingdom.” This isn't taken out of context. It's literally calling religions that tolerate pedophiles "false religion".
They don’t tolerate abusers among the rank and file let alone their “leaders”. They actively excommunicate unrepentant sinners including abusers. They were able to provide the public inquiry in Australia such detailed information all the way back to 1950 because they want to keep their congregations clean. They also want to keep tabs so that any alleged abusers don’t turn up in another unsuspecting congregation. Whenever they appoint elders anywhere they check against this information to make sure abusers don’t rise to a position of authority - even if they abused someone before they were Witnesses. All of this proves they do the opposite of “tolerate” abusers.
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Author Metalfl8
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Jehovah's Witnesses harbor a persecution complex.
They have difficulty understanding they aren't the center of the universe and the vast majority of people either don't know they exist or confuse them with LDS. [Mormons]
And of coarse they [like many delusional paranoid groups] excuse legitimate criticism as "hateful".
Short answer..... Most people don't hate them even MANY former members. They just cry over every little "papercut" and need to "Adult" now as a group and repair the damage caused to victims of child abuse they mishandled for decades.
Other than that almost nobody cares about them anymore than a typically Evangelical Fundamentalist denomination.
🤷‍♂️
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Author can-i-be-real
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Since you know the context, You don’t think that statement is, at best, misleading. At worst, a lie? Can you explain how you come to view it as an accurate, honest explanation of disfellowshipping?
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Author FugoRanshee
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How do you know it isnt true? You said above that you arent a JW.
I am here, with the experience of being raised as a JW and trained in their tactics, telling you that this is exactly what they do.
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Author Distinguished-Duck
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It was strongly implied, or directly told to everyone involved, including my parents and the parents of all the other victims of my perpetrator, who had also brought forward their own, separate cases, that the subject was closed.
I find it interesting that you somehow know everything that was said between everyone involved including “all other victims”. I do know that the Watchtower organization has never discouraged victims from reporting child abuse to authorities in its entire existence. To the contrary, they’ve made it clear in their policies distributed to local Kingdom Halls that elders should never discourage anyone from reporting child abuse.
I don’t put any weight on anonymous stories from anti-witness crusaders like yours. You are welcome to show anything written by Watchtower that discourages reporting abuse though, if in fact your allegation is true.
edit: I have noted that you were not able to show any evidence, only wild fanciful stories being told anonymously. BTW, brigading is against reddit rules so telling all your anti witness friends to come and downvote me is not appropriate.
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Author KazenoIgnis
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No, but it's complicit in them. The watchtower society and Witness organization encourage door to door proselytizing. They regularly cover up abuse from elders towards children and I've talked personally to more than few women who ran away from home as teens to avoid being forced into marriage at 16 to a much older man; this is legal in many states with parents permission.
And my friend whose an active witness actually told me that many of his fellow adherents are alcoholitics. You also did not deny the white supremacist aspect. They may have changed their time, but that was well after most of the mainstream Christians did.
I find it hilarious that you're trying to defend the religion against these things when they're pretty well-known problems. If you're a Jehovah's witness, you would actually be better off working to try and change the organization from the inside. However that's not exactly easily done because the organization is pretty insular and unless you fully commit to their hivemind then you can't really progress beyond a local elder.
I don't like most atheists but the guy Telltale on YouTube discusses his experiences as an ex-JW rather well.
Frankly I don't treat the local Jehovah's witnesses badly, but I'm on their list of people not to approach because I don't want to be bothered. It took a few tries though including a complaint to their local Kingdom Hall from my attorney.
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Author redditing_again
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Let me just ask you two questions:
  • Who do JWs believe will survive Armageddon?
  • Do JW's believe that the quote in the WT I cited is correct?
I mean, if I can't select a clearly-written paragraph from a recent Watchtower to prove my point for fear of being called out for quote-mining, what can I do instead? After giving talks of all kinds for years, I can say that I was literally trained as a Witness to quote-mine, if that's what you want to call it. Seriously, isn't that how most talks work? A selection of chosen 'mined quotes' from the Bible and other publications are chosen and explained to create a talk? I'm not saying it's wrong--I think it's a fair way to make a presentation whether as a Witness or for secular reasons. I'm not sure why you'd criticize me for it, honestly.
And I'm really not trying to be dishonest or start an argument, or even be difficult, and I don't want to argue, but I would like to understand your point. My point is that I think Witnesses and many other people, religious and non-religious, obscure their true viewpoints when asked by newcomers. I'm not singling out Witnesses by any means, but that's what this topic happened to be examining.
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Author FugoRanshee
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The task set was to name a single publication from watchtower that is not on their site, which i provided. Expecting someone to react in the way that you have with this response, i added "...for starters."
I'm no activist. I'm just someone who's life was nearly destroyed by this toxic cult, but I have managed to regain control of my life and move on. This is despite the loss of my mother (among other family - according to my definition - members) and the sadness that comes with knowing how difficult that is for her and knowing that she has spent the last 30yrs of her life forcing herself to believe that this cult is "the truth", because if it's not, if she's wrong, she has removed her firstborn son from her life for nothing.
And that is what she has done, because we are talking about just another obscure American cult that popped up in the late 1800s, based on a foundation of bullshit and from a time when everyone was buying snake oil.
But I am no activist. There are others who will list publications for you if you like, that you'll never be told about at jw.borg.
If you're actually willing to listen to their answers though, why make them do all the work?
Just go to jwfacts.com and read for yourself. It's all there, it's all real, and sticking your head in the sand won't change that! Ex-JWs and non-JWs are able to freely read the old watchtower publications, see all the scandals the cult has been involved in and read the many, many doctrinal changes they've made over the years, so really, you're just doing yourself a disservice by not viewing the material from both sides of the argument.
Edit: and i am only suggesting that site because it is the most comprehensive that i know of, but unlike the governing body, who openly discourage independant thought, i would encourage you to use google or youtube to freely seek out information. Determine for yourself what is and isn't true, using your own rational and logical thought processes.
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Author 951753951753
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Here is the PDF version of Millions Now Living Will Never Die a book published in 1920 and written by J. F. Rutherford: https://www.jwfacts.com/publications/Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die-33m.pdf
Take a look at page 89 of the book under the heading EARTHLY RULERS. Here's a quote:
As we have heretofore stated, the great jubilee cycle is due to begin in 1925. At that time the earthly phase of the kingdom shall be recognized.
Was this book inspired by holy spirit to be written? If yes, then how much of that book is still true? If no, then why did God allow it to be written if the IBSA was his chosen people?
You can't say this organization is transparent to outsiders when it's obvious that people who are currently JWs don't know about all of their own failed prophecies.
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Author can-i-be-real
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Anyone that isn’t related to JWs must just be like “What are these two morons even taking about?” Lol
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Author Metalfl8
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Not strange at all.....Shepherd the Flock of God is a "how to" book to legally cover their arse.
I don't care what you believe to be true....only what is in fact demonstrably true.
I have the necessary degrees and license to be qualified to make the proper decisions and have been professional tested to insure that is the case in regards to Law Enforcement. You don't have to say the same but must at least be a reasonable person to converse with and open to discussion.
Word smithing in self published biased denominational literature doesn't qualify as a reliable source.
I don't care if someone wants to be Jdub.
I don't care about your discomfort with the fact a Watchtower means nothing in reality and public records of court cases disproving your rediculous assertions are easily acquired in disturbingly large numbers.
That's a persomal issue....my blood pressure hasn't even gone up but it used to fluctuate like I assume yours is now.
That's called cognitive dissonance....I suggest researching Epistemology.
Im neither DA or DFd by the way....openly apostate athiest. I'm not an attorney but have enough education and an excellent one on retainer to legally block them.
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Author Jephord
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I know a different feeling than most here.
I was, until about 6 months ago a baptized Jehovah’s Witness. The organization has taken my 38years of accumulated friends, family and life. I am no longer to associate with them. They are not allowed or they'll suffer the same fate.
If anyone has a reason to hate Jehovah's Witnesses it's me. Yet, I love them. All of them.
I wish the leadership wasn't so deceitful and hypocritical. They lead these people, (in my opinion knowingly) to sacrifice their lives to the organization. They place themselves in the place of Jesus in most every way. Loyalty to the "governing body", 8 self proclaimed "chosen by God" men, is absolutely necessary to gain salvation and please God. They set the rules. They set, and constantly change doctrine. As is needed as time passes, along with the failure of prophecies.
They hold an extreme view of the Bible and enforce policy that is both abusive, mysoginistic, psychologically damaging, and deadly. Among other things. They are involved in a massive world wide sexual abuse cover up scandal, yet... most JW's don't even know!!
They are constantly told that the world is against them and apostates led by Satan are spreading false lies. The leaders dictate their every habit. No research outside of the Watchtower publications. Avoid social media. Set time limits on watching news, recreation and leisure. Do all you can for the organization. Only then will you gain salvation by jumping through the hoops.
Time in preaching HAS to be submitted in order to remain a member, or "publisher". Every month. And by the way....here's how to donate to us. :handout: And too, don't try to gain an education of any kind outside of high school, (don't gain critical thinking skills) but donate donate donate.
Recently, The Superior Court in Zurich said that the accusational statement "the JW organization violates human rights as well as harms children" is in fact true. Proven by evidence before the court. Watchtower chose to *not appeal after reading the final judgement. They are the LAST ones to let a judgement like this go. They fight to the death. But, it was indefensible and was drawing too much attention.
But, I love Jehovah's Witnesses. My wife is one too. I know them to be good, kinda, honest and loving people, until they must shun past members. They are so brainwashed by the leaders that they will cause a mother to walk by her child in a hall and never acknowledge they exist.
Please don't hate Jehovah's Witnesses. Hate the game.
If anyone wants sources for any of what I said, please ask.
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I didn’t my brother did. They did go to the Kingdom Hall. My brorther never told wha happenned then.
You brother never told you what happened when he went to the police? I thought you said “they swept it all under the rug”? Sounds like a fanciful tale to bolster your anti Witness crusade.
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Let everyone judge for themselves as to whether or not the lawyer lied.
You are all over reddit putting out fires for JW's yet you conveniently never address this video. I know you don't want anyone to watch it because it decimates your whole false narrative around here and you don't want to have to start a 6th new account. So you don't draw attention to yourself in relation to it.
Watch it here
EDIT: 🦗🦗🦗 <----Those are crickets
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Author NewbombTurk
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I don’t hate Jehovah Witnesses as individuals (at least not because they’re JWs. But, I’m sure some of them are assholes).
But, I am very much against the religion. It’s a destructive cult that preys on poor people and minorities.
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