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WHAT HAS SPORTS, LOTTERY AND CASINO GAMBLING DONE FOR YOU?

When we speak of casino gambling in Australia, we’re usually talking about new live or online pokies, fortuitous wins, or the dreaded affliction of problem gambling. That last topic has been abundantly proliferated by today’s leading politicians and anti-wagering groups. But have you ever ever stopped to ask yourself: What has gambling for you?

There’s a powerful message that gambling is bad. It’s a degenerative activity that causes nothing quite pain and suffering. this is often what anti-pokies campaigns are sputtering in radio and tv ads – that nothing good can come of it.

In reality, much good has come of it. The Australian government didn’t legalize lotteries because it thought the overall public needed a replacement sort of entertainment. It didn’t employ companies like Tabcorp and Tatts to officiate racing and sports betting because legislators had an excessive amount of time on their hands.
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What Australia Casino Gambling Does For You
Were you aware that the taxes our government collects from gambling operators are wont to ensure every child is provided a free and honorable education? Did you recognize that Australia uses the cash it collects from lottery sales to send promising athletes to free training camps, where they will excel into professional, tournament-worthy competitors?

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“Purpose are some things that's here to remain ,” continued Harrison, especially when it involves things people care about. She explained that brands can improve their sale volume compared to competitors by letting consumers know “they are buying a product that resonates their own personal values…”

Her company played a key role in Uganda creating a sustainable source of income through harvesting Sorghum, a crop that they were ready to become a beer product. Not only did it bring down the value of beer, the govt was compelled to supply harvesters a tax benefit since it had been ready to sell the beer at lower cost. it had been clearly a win-win situation.

How does this have anything to try to to with Australia casino gambling, and therefore the benefits it brings to the people? Harrison explained:

“We were competing not with the prevailing beer but with the elicit alcohol market, attracting people out of the damaging and unregulated, illegal alcohol market. So, we are making beers safer for consumer, creating new revenue for our business and creating money for the govt also , which have increased their tax income for over 50 percent since 2002.”

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How I gamed a sportsbook competition to win a $17,000 Superbowl trip

Hey guys, last week I posted about how I won $22k with a Betfair competition. Earlier in the year I also won a trip for 2 from Australia to America and tickets to the Superbowl, accommodation and so on.
You can read the full article with images and videos on my site at http://www.daily25.com/how-i-won-the-17000-ubet-superbowl-competition/ or simply read it below.
Last week I wrote about how I had won $22,000 thanks to a recent Betfair competition. This week I will explain how I won the Tattsbet (now Ubet) "Awesomely Excellent American Sports Tour" competition that was valued at $17,000. It was an amazing trip and I ended up bringing an extra friend on the trip and the 3 of us had an amazing time. This trip also helped me tick off a heap of bucket list items.
The Prize The prize was for 2 people. It included
Economy Return flights to Phoenix (which we upgraded to business class using FF points)
 Accommodation and transfers Superbowl tickets Tailgate party tickets NBA tickets PGA tickets 
We tacked on a few extras as well and went and saw a NHL game, as well as a lot of casinos and bars.
Here is the promo video Ubet had made.
The Competition rules
As mentioned in the last article, I make sure to read the rules a few times to look for any terms that might make it not worth my time but also to try and find any loopholes that may exist. The competition went for the month of November 2014 and was available to any tattsbet customers.
There was only one term I was worried about. But as I was not going to break any rules I thought it would not apply to me.
  1. Validity of entries: The Promoter reserves the right, at any time, to verify the validity of an entry or disqualify any entrant who submits an entry that is not in accordance with these terms and conditions or who tampers with the entry process. The decision to verify, validate or disqualify an entry is in the Promoter's absolute discretion.
Now here was the rule that showed me where the loophole would be
  1. How to enter:To enter, entrants must place a head to head bet on any NFL or NBA game during the Promotion Period using their account via TattsBet's website or smartphone apps. Entrants can also enter their retail ticket details via the promotion website if a bet is placed in a retail outlet. Additional entries will be counted for every additional head to head bet that is placed. Minimum bet $1, single bets only. All entries become the property of the Promoter.
I was already betting on the NBA and NFL as part of my normal betting, but would never bet at Ubet as they offer terrible odds. The key rule from the How to enter section was that for every bet that is placed you get 1 ticket in the draw. The minimum bet was $1. So if I bet $500 or $1 on a game, I would receive 1 ticket.
Here was my loophole. I was going to bet $500 on the game anyway, why not split that bet into 500 $1 bets instead and get 500 entries instead of 1.
Was it going to be worth my time? The next thing I did was work out if I really had a chance to win it. I had to figure out how many people were likely to enter the competition and how much it would cost me in time and money.
To figure out how many customers Ubet had, I simply checked their social media profiles. At the time I believe they had about 3,000 followers on twitter. They were small fry when it came to online betting. The take up rate of competitions like this are usually between 1-5% and 5% is highly unlikely. I estimated that they had around 30-50,000 customers and between 300 and 2,500 people would enter. Maybe 1% of them would really try and win it, so I was dealing with between 3 and 25 real competitors.
My numbers told me there would between 10,000 - 20,000 total entries.
I believed that my plan of attack would give me an 80% chance of taking out the prize.
My plan of attack I had a few different ways I could play this. I knew 100% I would be betting a max of $1 on each bet multiple times. Here were the potential ways I could play it.
 Bet my normal bets all at Ubet $1 at a time. I would get much worse odds and therefore this would be a real cost. Arb my bets between Ubet and Betfair for a small loss Just back favs under $1.20 and hope for no upsets 
I decided to go with the last option. Any teams under $1.20 I would back as many times as possible.
A small issue The Ubet system only allows you to bet on the same selection once every minute. I guess this is so there is time for them to move the price if you bet the maximum. There were maybe 5 or 6 teams a day priced under $1.20 and that meant I could get 5 or 6 entries per minute. So for an hours work I could get between 300-360 entries. Not a huge amount for an hour of my time.
An easy solution
This is where some basic IT knowledge came in handy. Computers are great at repetitive tasks. All I had to do was show the computer what I wanted it to do and make it repeat that over and over again. In nerd language, this is called a macro.
a single instruction that expands automatically into a set of instructions to perform a particular task.
I found some software that would create a macro based on my mouse movements and clicks. All I had to do now was go through the routine once and set it to repeat that after every minute. There were a few issues I needed to work through, but eventually I had the macro working perfectly.
I could not use my computer while the macro was running, but as the bets were placed while I was sleeping, that was not an issue. I would head to bed at around midnight, load up the macro bot and it would still be running in the morning when I got up. That meant there was at least 9 hours per day and 3,240 entries. Over the month I would get over 97,000 entries and everyone else combined would have only 20,000. This gave me an almost 80% chance of winning (based on my numbers).
I get caught 5 days into the competition I received a phone call from a Ubet representative. We had a chat and he let me know that they could see what I was doing and that it "wasn't in the spirit of the competition". He said they were happy for me to keep entering but I would only be allowed to place the total amount as one bet. There was no point in doing that so I stopped completely.
By this time I would have placed close to 20,000 bets. I assumed they were just going to delete my entries so I didn't give the competition another thought. I gave it a try and played within the rules but it looked like the jig was up. If my bets stood I now had a 50% chance of winning.
I make a call
A month later I tried to log into my Ubet account and it was locked, it said I had to call to have it reopened. I called up support and she was puzzled why my account would be locked. She said she would call someone and put me on hold. It dawned on me that I had probably won the competition as it was the day of the draw. When she got back on the line she was pretty excited and said "O, it's good news, let me put you through" and forwarded the call onto someone else.
The guy on the other end asked me if I was sitting down and I feigned surprise and happiness that I had won. I was still worried they would say I had broken some terms. But after I got off the phone call I was damn happy. Eventually once the prize was finalised I was able to relax and could really enjoy it.
Rule changes When Ubet relaunched their brand they ran another competition. It seems I had taught them a valuable lesson. The new rules of the competition said a max of 1 entry per person.
I know that a few others also tried to game this competition by betting heaps of times at $1 a bet. I doubt they used a macro to do it and had a heap fewer entries.
The Trip
The actual trip was amazing and we were able to witness one of the greatest superbowl endings ever. We were offered over $10,000 for each of our tickets on the day of the game, but an experience like a superbowl is only going to come around once in a lifetime for an Aussie. I will post about the trip soon and how fans thought our bus was one of the teams buses.
Lessons So that is how I won a $17,000 sporting experience. The key takeaways here were to always read every single rule, break down your potential competition and to maximise your chances of winning by using technology.
I'm looking forward to the next competition that pops up as I know a lot of you will be entering. It will make my chances much slimmer but as long as one of us wins, I'll be happy. It also seems my prior post spurred others into action as I received 5 emails this week from people who won $500 each in the latest Betfair competition. They all said they would never have entered if it wasn't for my post, that makes me feel pretty good.
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[Table] I am an Aussie underground coal miner. Ask me anything!

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Hey there, I'm a Kiwi living in Australia, 21 years old. I've been told that Mining is a good way of sacrificing a few years for some good cash. Would advice would you give someone for joining the mining industry? The money is good, but you need to have a plan and stick to it if you want to get in and out. A lot of people say that going in and stay. Either that or you can make a career out of it if you want to, and that's where some really good money is. Underground is probably easier to get in to than open cut. At the moment things are a bit stagnant so coming in with no experience will take persistance. It helps if you know someone already in that can put in a good word for you. Other than that, start with contractors. The ones that hire the most cleanskins (inexperienced miners) are the ones that do outbye work. Constructing stoppings, secondary support that sort of thing. WDS, UGM, AMS, Spartan Mining are a few names that come to mind. They will ask if you've done a mine medical and generic induction, tell them you'll do that once you get an offer, because like everything mining, they're expensive.
Coal miners disease; is it a problem for you? Is there a respirator? If so, how much are they and how long do the filters last? I'll assume you mean pneumosilicosis, the black lung *eheh *eheh? No, as far as I know there haven't been any cases of that (in Australia) for 30 years or so. The level of protection required depends on where you are and what you're doing. Typically outbye work (not cutting coal) masks are not required. In development (cutting the first tunnels) we usually use the disposable paper type masks. Longwall (where the bulk of the coal is cut) operators can use an airstream mask if they want. This is a semi enclosed helmet with an external pump and filter worn on the belt. It's incredibly funny to drop a fart in to someone else's pump. The filters are good, but not that good. On top of that the government regularly monitors our exposure to silica to make sure we're doing everything by the book.
Tl;dr No. Yes. Depends.
What are your thoughts on Gillards new Mining Tax? While this latest mining boom is doing wonders for the Australian economy do you think the bubble will burst yet again in the near future? I think that the government's watered down super profit tax is a great tragedy. The big miners are hardly paying any tax at all, as far as I can gather, certainly percentage wise, they pay a lot less than me. I don't think the government capitalises enough on our mineral wealth. We should be using this gift to develop industries that will keep Australians employed when it's no longer economical to pull this stuff out of the ground. When it was originally proposed and Rudd was in charge, I thought it was a good idea. But that's my opinion.
What's the biggest scare you've ever experienced? The one that kept me awake at night for a while happened on the rigs. It's funny because really it was such a small thing compared to say, bad roof or gas outbursts which are no picnic either but here goes: I was on the type of drill rig that cuts cores out of the rock, looking for sphalerite, we would drill 3m remove the rod string, take out the core and then run the rods back down the hole to drill the next 3m. Easy right? Except I was working with a driller that had a few home/money drams, so not only was his mind not on the job, he was always in a rush for bonus metres. So I'm standing by with the wrench to start removing drill rods, the drill stops and I jump up clamp the wrench down and look up to the control panel. It turns out that the driller hadn't finished his run, he was lighting a smoke. Still looking down at the control panel, I saw his hand push the lever forward to spin the rods up again. Now, these machines are incredibly powerful. We could drill up to a kilometre deep and a bit further if we needed to. Thats big torque. Enough to turn me into jam, anyway. I didn't even have time to remove the wrench, but just enough so the pressure didn't clamp it down. It threw me and the wrench off the platform. So, I escaped unharmed and the driller asked just what the fuck I thought I was doing. I didn't know. We'd been working for two weeks straight at this point, so fatigue may have been a factor.
Is it hard on your family being down there? My grandpa worked in the nickel mines for years and my grandmother was scared every day he went down there... I also had a cousin who got crushed by a mining cart and died, they say it was a freak accident. Are there a lot of safety features down there? I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. I know mines in America have a lot more injuries than us. We are fortunate in Australia, and especially Queensland, that we have some of the most exacting safety standards in the world. I've never been seriously injured, but it does happen. More often than it should. My parents don't like it much. I turned down a job in New Zealand because of the money, and that pit blew up. I'd like to think I would have been smart enough to see the signs, but I dunno.
Have you ever worked on any kind of soft rock drilling? (Oil and Gas) How did you get into this field after you turned 18/graduated etc? No I haven't done any drilling like that. But coal seam gas drilling is causing a bit of a stir locally at the moment. I took a summer job at a company that repairs mining equipment while I was doing an Engineering degree. I dropped out and eventually got in to the mines. I started on the 'rigs when I felt like I needed a break from coal. After that, coal didn't seem so bad.
Thoughts on Gina Rinehart? It'd be immature and shallow to say she's got a head like a smashed crab, so I won't. Other than that though, the only thing that springs to mind about her is some remark she made about Aussie miners being paid too much, that we should be happy to be on a few dollars a day like those in third world countries. I can't say it impressed me.
What's it like down under? Great. I'm lucky enough to have seen a bit of the world, but I still call Australia home. ;)
How physically tough is the work? also have you encountered many irish immigrant in the mines working? At first it was tough, but it's mostly pushing buttons and pulling levers now. Night shift always sucks. I haven't worked with any Irishmen. Lot's of guys from Yorkshire, South Africa & New Zealand though.
There's a tv show up here called Call of the Wildman, where this hillbilly animal control guy removes animals from houses and businesses. There was a problem with beavers getting into the mining areas and eating the wooden supports. Wildman had to safely extract the animals without traps. I'm pretty sure there aren't beavers down there, but have you ever run into any wildlife in the mines? Mice. It's gross. We bring in big palettes of timber every now and then for various things (only rarely to keep the roof up) and sometimes a snake hitches a ride. So that's fun.
I work with a couple of guys that worked with the last pit ponies: 'Warrior' and 'Mr. Ed' who were made members of the union so they couldn't be sold to the local meatworks at the end of their working lives.
Kiwi here. What's your favourite summer menu and accompanying beer? Mudcrab and James Squire nine tails will do me eh bro. Expecting XXX were you?
Can I ask you what you think coal prices will do over the next year? Do you think coal mining companies will make more profit this year then last? IMO I don't think mining companies will make more this year than last. Last year saw record breaking profits because metallurgical coal was at crazy prices. I think the spot market went as high as $300/ton.
As a result, everyone went apeshit and invested heavily in pulling more coal out of the ground. Then one of the bigwigs in China came out and said that he wanted China to become more of a consuming economy than a producing one and that caused a bit of a re-think. Some very expensive projects had already begun on the belief that prices would stay high for a while longer.
I've been to China, briefly, and was shown all these empty apartment blocks that were banged up as fast as possible and bought by speculators at premium prices because they felt like it was a good investment. The concern then was that a lot of people would be in debt for something that was no longer worth what they paid for it. Sound familiar? Anyhoo, the upshot of all this is that I think metcoal is sitting on $160ish / ton. Which is the break even point or worse for open cut mines, and open cut is where the big boys make the bulk of their money.
So, I think the price will drop, some mines may close or briefly stop producing and then the price will stabilise. Where at? Dunno.
Tl;dr Down slightly, up slightly but not back to where it was. No, last year broke records.
Can I ask what company you work for? and more specifically i was looking into answers into thermal coal, any insight on that? I'd rather not say who I work for. They probably have negative views about this sort of thing. As for thermal coal, I can't give you any insights. My personal opinion is that it's not going to drop any time soon. Nuclear power doesn't seem to be very popular all of the sudden.
Any advice for a 25 year old woman interested in admin in the mines? Everyone I speak to either says "oh you won't be able to deal with it, or its not for you" without knowing what I'd be willing to do to have a stable career. I don't imagine the requirements would be that much different to any other admin job. Familiarity with excel, word, that kind of thing. The big thing for Queensland mines though is sourcing accommodation. The town I live in has some of the highest rental prices in Australia and very few vacancies. That's where the SO's of miners get a shoe in because they already have somewhere to stay. NSW is different of course because all the pits are close to civilisation.
OR... you could get your truck licence then try and get a job driving the big trucks in an open cut pit. WA has a lot of vacancies at the moment I hear. I'm told companies like female operators because they are gentler with the gear. I have a hairdresser friend who did that when she developed an allergy to hairspray. She drives one of those massive Cat trucks at the Kalgoorlie superpit now. Loves it.
Ahhh, did Bob drive one of those bigass dumptruck looking things? No this was underground, on a longwall.
Where do you see yourself in 5, 10, 20 years? Well, I see a big push towards automation coming. So, I'm studying a degree in my spare time to hopefully find myself a niche in the yawning gap between miners and the designers/engineers who build our machines. A niche with a desk and a coffee maker would be nice.
Failing that, deputy's ticket and mine manager's after that if I think I'm smart enough.
Do you have a favourite/least favourite mine you've worked in? My least favourite would have to be a very old, deep pit in the Hunter Valley. It's a rats nest. The kicker though is the water that comes dripping out of the roof is fairly acidic, so it does bad things to machinery, clothes and skin. Plenty of methane too, to keep things interesting.
How often do you get to see your family? My husband is thinking about going to the mines, but in a very different job. I guess the time spent away would have its $$$ compensations? I'm single, but even so it can be hard to coordinate with people who work Monday to Friday. The last girl I was dating didn't like it much.
Time away takes its toll on families. I work a 5 on 5 off roster now and the family guys seem ok with that. Though most move the wife and kids out here when they can. When I was on the rigs doing 14/7 and sometimes 21/7 all the guys I worked with were divorced, or about to become divorced.
On the plus side, having so much time off is great. I don't know how anyone gets anything done with just a two day weekend.
How would you react if Derek Zoolander was in your mine with you? I've worked with all different sorts of blokes. In WA you have to have a criminal background check to get a job on a mine site, my boss at the time liked to hire people who had been convicted of assault and GBH because he figured they'd be tough. A prancing male model wouldn't be so hard to take. He would be good for a laugh.
Have you heard of the latest, hippest independent band? No, but seriously, just throwing in a quick plug to our mates over at /mining - have you heard of the sub and do you read it? Not until now. I'll have to have a look. Thanks for that.
People say that with the mining boom you guys get paid a ton. Is that true? Yes, but it has to be taken with a grain of salt too. Everything is more expensive in mining towns.
How much do you earn? $150k/year roundabouts before tax. The tax man takes a goodly portion of that, though.
How much do you lose in tax? Roughly 35%.
Hey that's not so bad! That's what an average swede pays in taxes. But with a salary at $150k you would be looking at about 50-55%. Ouch. That's savage.
How much are sparkies getting in your mine? Same as the operators.
Have you ever worked at Ulan Coal Mines in their drift? You look like a guy I knew there. No I haven't been to Ulan. But I'd bet money we know some of the same people.
Hey mate, just about to finish up mining engineering degree and deciding on UG coal or hardrock. What are your thoughts between the two? I did vac work in the hunter valley (UG Coal) and enjoyed it, however the industry seems to be in a bit of a standstill at the moment. How easy did you find it to switch between the two? They are completely different worlds. Different techniques, different roof support, different gear. The cap lamps are the same and that's about it I found. :)
Hard rock pits can take ipods underground, have microwaves and fridges in the crib room, so it has that going for it. Two way radios too, I don't know how many times I wished I had one of those in coal. Their gear is more sophisticated (nicer to use) than ours. But coal is usually not so deep, so its not as hot (most of the time), and the strata doesn't have quite so much pressure on it. Operators make more money too, on average.
From a mining eng perspective I suppose you would have to look at what is more challenging and the lifestyle that goes with that mine. If you're just starting out I'd have a look at both and see what your job is actually going to be, engineers often end up doing less engineering and more managing. I think most metalliferous pits are FIFO, whereas in the hunter you might get to be home every night.
How important is safety and ground control to Australian mines? Do you feel safer in a coal mine or a heavy metal underground mine? Our ground control is pretty good. It usually doesn't fall in unless we want it too. As for coal or metalliferous being safer, it's hard to say. They both have their risks. I probably wouldn't work in a lead or uranium mine for too long though.
The safety question was because I noticed you don't have your safety glasses on. Haha, bloody staff. Well in all fairness, one of those pics was at the go line so glasses are not required. The other two we were 2km deep, it was 38 degC on the wet bulb and glasses were impossible because they kept steaming up. You are right though, I was doing the wrong thing.
How many giant trapdoor spiders have you had to fight? Well there was this one time on acid... nah jokes. Though the air intake at a hard rock pit I was at was notorious for spiders, they would get sucked in and become trapped. Spiderwebs everywhere. No giant ones though.
Where are you working at the moment? never wanted to play with the big toys above ground? I'm working in central Qld. I won't say which mine exactly because companies like mine don't appreciate unexpected publicity. Did you see the underground version of the harlem shake? They all got sacked.
I've known a few blokes do the switch and go dirt herding. They don't come back so it must be alright. It does interest me but I hate the idea of starting from scratch again and being the new kid that can't find his arse with both hands.
I visited a few mines in the hunter in a sales role. a liebherr 966 is a big digger. for an outsider the sheer size of the equipment is impressive. Do you have 3 dirt bikes an ss ute and two sleeves of tattoos? all the young coal miners near here do! 1 road bike, 1 dirt bike, 1 wrx but no tattoos. Some people look good with tatts, I'm not one of them.
Yea a couple of guys I know from Kalgoorlie were caught up in the aftermath of that mess. You worked in kal? Nah, the only pit I worked at in WA was Golden Grove. Closed now I think.
What's your position on the phrase "back to the coal face"? Meh. It sounds like my boss but with less swearing.
I'm a geologist from the states and I've been on a longwall mining outfit for Trona. I have to say it was the coolest thing I've ever seen. Like being on the set of Alien. This one was all automated. A big toothy wheel cruised up and down the face depositing the ore onto a belt. Then I've heard of longwalls as simple as cribbing get kicked out as miners extend the face. What kind is yours? Haha, it is like an alien set isn't it? I keep banging my head on stuff when I'm on the wall. It can get pretty close.
There was an experiment with automation done in NSW, but from what I hear it didn't go all that well. It is coming though.
Our longwall is a brand spanking new top coal caving type. It runs a second armoured face chain behind the chocks to recover the top part of the seam as the whole show advances. It looks pretty cool.
I saw a mock up of whole recovering roof support as you chip away at the face deal, in a museum. I'd bet money they still do it in China somewhere.
Do you prefer Marmite or Vegimite? Thoughts on having some Nutella right about now? I like promite. Always.
Can you get me a job? Im an auto sparky trying to get in to the heavy side. If you've got a trade then it's easy. Just start submitting your resume' to the big companies through their websites; Anglo, Xstrata etc. You'll find a job somewhere. Even though things are a little flat at the moment, trades are still in demand.
Do you belive that some of the OH&S Stuff on mine sites has gone a bit overboard now. I don't know. What I don't like is the whole trend towards paperwork and process. You are 'trained' on a machine if you've filled out the paperwork and copied the answers in to the right boxes. A lot of OH&S I feel is a legal arse covering exercise rather than a concerted effort to improve things. That being said, I've worked with guys from the states and some of the stories they tell me are pretty wild, and same goes for the guys who were in the industry 20 yrs ago. It's a fine balance I guess.
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[Table] IAmA: 4 years ago I moved from Italy to Australia with 1 suitcase and my lifetime savings. I was 19, knew no-one and did not have a plan. AMA

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As a foreigner what are your insights and opinions on Australian culture? What makes it so different from the rest of the world? I like its equality. I like how values such as humbleness, sticking by your mates and giving people a 'fair go' are embedded in your culture. I like how much trust there is between random strangers, compared to other places in the world. I like that I am expected to ride on the front seat if I catch a cab by myself, and that millionaires go surfing, later lining up at the fish n chips shop shoeless and sunburnt like Dazza the tradie. I like the emphasis on sports, enjoying the outdoors, braving the ocean while respecting it. I like how you still have Sydney's Centennial Park, because a mesmerizing, huge public park is more important that a few property developers making billions. I like how a man is judged by his actions and his character rather than how much money he has, his job or his surname. I like the contempt for religion, wankers, high-end fashion and similar nonsense. I like how you guys party, although I'm not sure I like the drinking culture too much, but that's only beacuse a few morons can't handle the booze and become aggressive. Sometimes I also hear stupid racist remarks every now and then, but racism is not institutionalized (except for some Aboriginal matters) and at least the issue is discussed publicly, not swept under a rag or -worse- socially accepted! Generally, I think Aussies nailed it by taking the best parts of being a redneck, and combining them with the brain-power, education, drive, ambition and discipline required to become a wealthy nation. In the meantime, they have not forgotten that the purpose of life is to fucking ENJOY it and that's why you see so many people out there smiling, being nice, not taking anything too seriously and partying instead of fearing they're going to hell for doing so.
1) Why Australia? 1) Honest answer? I am gay and the guys there are all so hot! This and the very laid-back culture are what caught my attention. Another big factor was the climate, as I am very metereopathic. Then, in terms of economy there certainly are more opportunities here than in Italy...so after factoring all these things in I thought you know what? It's not that crazy after all. On top of that, I was going through a bad period with my family and realized I was starting to hang out with the wrong crowd...I just knew I had to GTFO before it was too late.
2) Is it what you hoped for? I am thinking about moving there from South Africa. 2) It's what I hoped for and MORE! Beyond expectations really. Watch out about SA though...few unpleasant things u should consider before going there (message me if u want)
You up and moved with no plan or idea because the guys in that particular area are more attractive than the area you were in. It's times like this that I feel that we really haven't matured as a species. Don't downvote this guy, read his comments history instead. Dude you are way more hilarious than I could have ever imagined.
Just curious, what sort of crowd was the wrong crowd in this case? Pretty much troglodites like the commenter above, on coke.
I'm 19. I'm Italian. I'm moving to London in 2 months. Yours, are the most stupid reasons I've ever heard. Exactly! it worked out and that's the funniest thing about it (aside from you english)!! Don't you get it? ;) I love to hear comments like yours. It reminds me how much of a sad cunt I was before I had the privilige to live this preposterous adventure, getting away from negative people like yourself while having fun, getting laid, making friends, travel, to the weirdest jobs, learning about myself and how to enjoy life. Eventually, it leads you to a positive mental space from which you can build a more 'serious' life based on solid foundations. All the best for your move to London
I'm talking about going to Australia from SA (can't see if you got confused? who the f would move from Australia to SA!) Do tell. I can imagine you can't cheer for the SA cricket team in a pub :D. Sorry! I was busy with all the replies and misread that. Well in that case i highly recommend it! It's so nice here. No shortage of braai and beer too :) The only thing you might miss is the wildlife which is so diverse and stunning in Africa. But other than that, I cannot think of anything that could disappoint you once you come here. Honestly, I travelled a lot and I think that today, in this world, this is the closest thing you can get to a society that works and is fair. Canada would be a good alternative, but it's fucking cold in Canada...
You got to australia to fuck guys...? how epic of you. I could smell the reek of a very sad and unfulfilling life even before looking at your comment history mate.
What did you do at the start? How did you manage to stay there for 4 years -- did you obtain a work permit or what? What's your current job? I did 2 years working holiday Visa, now doing a bachelor in Sport Science and working part-time in retail. The first 2 years i did mainly fundraising, promotion, farm work, labouring, gardening etc. I even sold paintings door-to-door for a Jew who bought them from China by the kilos! he would hire good-looking European backpackers, instruct us to pretend we were from a Parisian art school and trying to sell 'our' paintings to make a living. He would drive us to cashed up neighbourhoods and let us loose in the streets. Poor customers, little they knew the paintings were made in a sweatshop in China...I could do an entire AMA on that.
How has the experience turned out so far? It was so hard in the beginning, but for some reason I had an unbreakable faith within me that allowed me to get through the hard moments (I can elaborate further if you're interested). I think a lot of it had to do with the 'adventure' factor honestly!
I am now happy as I had never been before, I am very proud of what I did, that I did it on my own, and how it turned out. It is definitely the best thing I ever did in my life. I now live in what I consider best city in the world (Sydney), I leased a beautiful house in a lovely neighbourhood, bought my dream bike (yamaha R1), came out of the closet, got into unprecedented physical shape, getting passionate about MMA and actually practising it (it means a lot for a guy that's been bullied in school), I can go to the beach whenever I want, the climate is great and the overall culture is so relaxed and accepting compared to my homeland. I had also had a great 2 years relationship with a local guy, travelled the country, met awesome people and done the weirdest jobs lol. At the end of the day, if I look back at who I was 4 years ago...I honestly feel so sorry for that guy! The upside is that I can do it from my current situation, where I am so happy and so proud of who i have become :D.
I'm more interested in your transition. How much $ did you have in your pocket when you got there? How did you get your first job? Where did you sleep until you had a permanent place? About 12k AUD. My first job was through gumtree (a sort of craigslist) as were all the other jobs I ever got, except one. That website is dodgy as, but it saved my life sooo many times with its very high turnover of cash-in-hand jobs. I could start a job in the morning and quit in the afternoon - which often happened seeing how crap they often were. In retrospect it was hilarious to change 2-3 jobs a week! Before I had a permanent place I slept in a hostel, some very kind strangers' couch, garages, terraces, backyards...luckily it was summer and the weather was always nice :)
Why did you leave Italy? I'm learning Italian to move there one day, it's not a terrible place is it? :( Mate, lots of reasons are personal. Mainly, I had a rough time with my family and couldn't deal with their shit anymore. Job prospects were dire, and the only job i really liked paid fuck-all. Some mates -and by consequence me- became involved in weird coked-up crowds, saw lots of shit and broken lifes down there and decided I needed to GTFO and take my second chance before it was too late. Italy is a good place if you are wealthy. Otherwise, if you can only get by it can be pretty shit trust me. On top of that, bureocracy is absolutely crazy, nothing works, court system is fucked, high-level corruption is rife and lots of people are angry and unemployed right now, which means crime. Generally, it takes a very Machiavellian vision of life and society to be succesfull in that country. Fairness, education and honesty are not among the highest rated skills. Personally, I grew up there and I'm glad it made me 'street-savvy' so to speak, but fuck wasting my life there. Just my personal opinion though.
Have you seen any crazy aussie things? Huge insects, kangaroos, ex-convicts? Luckily no crazy ass insects yet. I'm glad cause I am shit scared of them. Seen my fair share of spiders though, I don't get scared anymore unless it's a fucking Huntsman (google it, NSFL). Some dudes here look scary with all the tatts and stuff, met some ex-cons too, but always had very good experiences. I think it boils down to how you treat people really, I try to talk to a person, not to an 'ex-con' and I think they really appreciate that. Not being a wanker gets you a long way in this country ;) I've seen heaps of kangaroos and even patted a few. They only live in rural areas though! Once, when I was in Airlie Beach (QLD) I was stoned, reading on my camping chair in my mate's backyard, and a wallaby came blasting out of the bushes in front of me at like 40 kmh, jumping over my head. It was FUCKING INSANE, must've jumped 6-7 metres in length and a good 2,5 metres high, right over my head. It appeared and was gone in like 3 seconds. Fuck I thought i was gonna die... Among the most insane things I've ever seen here are also: Mud crabs, people surfing on acid, LOTS of cyclists travelling from Melbourne to Cairns (like 3000kms), a guy riding a bicycle COMPLETELY naked in Sydney CBD in broad daylight, another guy screaming on the roof of a cab going 70-80kmh...I have tons of other shit, I'll make a new post when the amount of flashbacks is satisfactory.
Being an Australian who's done a lot of traveling and sampled pot from around the world I'd say our pot is pretty average. Maybe I just dont know the right people. Fair enough dude, it certainly can't compete with Dutch, Californian or BC buds that's medical grade stuff grown by real scientists. But you can score some pretty respectable stuff. It took me 15 minutes to write this.
Okay, first of all congratulations on taking that plunge, must've been supertough. I wish I had the balls to do that, always wanted to, but the circumstances dictated otherwise. As for the question: Could you elaborate more precisely on your first week (you arrive in an airport of a country you know nothing about, what now?), what your lifesavings were (if nog to indescrete) and how long they lasted you? Thanks! I had 10 nights booked in a hostel, and I'm pretty well travelled so I wasn't worried. My first absolute priority was finding a house with a job being close second, so i spent my days browsing ads, doing interviews and house inspections. I left with 6000 Euros (about 12k AUD at the time), hard to say how long they lasted because some weeks I was able to supplement with irregular income and even save. If I didn't have a job probably would have lasted about 6-8 months.
of all I am stunned at your balls. Well done. What part of Australia did you move to? How was the first month? Cheers. I moved to Sydney and the first month was insanely hard. I was basically homeless, friendless, money was going down so quickly and it was harder than I thought to get a job.
Glad you are liking it so far, how was your family about this? Have they come over and visited? First they thought i was nuts, as everyone else did. Then they gradually understood it, especially since the economy became really bad over there. When they visited last year they got it, they could really appreciate the pleasure of living in a country that is beautiful, where things work and people are overwhelmingly nice to each other. We had a great time, we could reconcile, and they told me they wish they did the same when they were younger!
Life time savings at the age of 19? Wat? Dude, 6000 euros. If you sell all your possessions it's not so far fetched.
Sorry if this has been asked before but if you were to give someone one piece of advice (or several pieces if you feel like it :P) about moving country what would it be? Choose the country you're emigrating to with your heart. The place where your dreams are, that's where you need to go.
Have you gone to any other cities across Australia, or just Sydney? I live in Melbourne and some of my friends that have gone to Sydney before say it's not as good. It depends what you value. I've been to Brisbane and pretty much all over the east coast, never to Melbourne though. I hear it 'looks' more European, but I did not really want anything to remind me of home so Sydney was the right choice for me. To me Sydney is like New York on a brilliant patch of coastline, with chilled out people and awesome weather.
I have heard a lot of rumors about Australia being very hard to move to and become a citizen in. Did you become a citizen? And if you did what were the requirements? If you don't earn over 100k or have serious qualifications it is quite hard. I'm not a permanent resident or citizen yet, for the requirements it's such a long topic...their website is quite easy to navigate: immi.gov.au.
How long can you stay? Is it possible to be a permanent resident doing odd jobs? No, doing odd jobs max 2 years with the WH visa. Then you either switch to a student, work permit (i heard if you're sponsored it's RELATIVELY easy), or partnership...maybe theres other options but i'm not an expert, i only know whats useful for my situation.
Yeah that was my concern, would seasonal work (Picking fruit, working on farms) be a good start or would I need to look at something more reliable, restaurant work, maybe? As for my qualifications all I really have is A levels and an NVQ 2 in Customer service (basically a minor qualification). For what it's worth I have an aunt who lives in Perth (we're not exactly on speaking terms, family drama yada yada.. but could that help?) Cheers for the advice/time. Seasonal work is so unreliable, prone to natural disasters and shit. When cyclone Yasi hit in 2010 I did not eat banana for a year because the local plantations were fucking WIPED OUT! all of them. I also struggled big time in 2009 to find farm work. It can be done, but you have to be super-careful to pick an area that has good harvesting prospects otherwise you are stuck in the middle of nowhere running out of money. Not cool. Restaurant work would surely be a safer option at the beginning. A family member who is an Aussie resident usually helps a lot, depending on how close you are she might even be able to sponsor you! check on their website immi.gov.au.
I have to ask, why did you pick a major city over something more further inland? I'd hate to imagine the costs of living in a major city but clearly you found a way around it all. Did you look at which cities provided better opportunities or did you go "i'll go here and hope for the best" Major city = more opportunities. That was my simple thought. Also, being young I quite value the social side of it. Living in the country can actually be more expensive than in major cities, except for the rent. The job market is also veeery slow, going there in the hope of making $ would be economical suicide IMHO. Except if you go to the mines...but there, the rent would be as expensive as major cities. Without the fun.
You know, I agree with you there. Living in regional australia, general cost of living is far more expensive. Heck for what I pay in 95 Octane fuel, it's the same as what I can get in 98 octane fuel in major cities (for those clueless, 91 octane or normal regular is basic, 95 is better and 98 is top shelf essentially) Not sure how supermarket costs go though, never compared those but from what I hear about real estate market, it's cheaper by a lot. Also job wise, it is harder where i am, more so when most want experience. Now realising this, it perplexes me why many immigrants live in my area, mostly sudanese. I admire those that decide to uproot themselves and decide to make a huge change to themselves. Though as you said you had $12k AUD behind you, unlike myself if i was to move to a major city now, I have next to nothing in terms of cash on me. Also how the heck did you save that much monies? With first getting a job, did you go to places with the intent of "i've just moved here, what do you have that i can do?" I sold all my possessions back home, except the few things with sentimental value. As for the job, I documented myself before coming and knew Gumtree was a good bet.
Do you like meat pies and vegemite? Meat pies are ok, Vegemite no way...I just can't bring myself to like it!
A question about your transition to a new place. What was you plan for meeting new people and blending into the culture? Just embrace it and don't worry. And hang out with the locals! When you're a foreigner and you just arrived in a place, you always have an excuse to talk to them without it being awkward. See it as some sort of special power or GTA cheat!
What do you miss from Italy? Food, driving fast, soccer games
We have food here, though! Yeah, and pretty awesome food too i must say :) I just miss seeing family-run bakeries, real home-made food, and knowing that with 10 bucks you can eat a great pizza or pasta any restaurant you stumble in.
How did you adjust to the different lifestyle? Piece of cake. That was the easiest part!
Am. don't you need something like work visa? Did you got the visa before going ? How was the language barrier? And how old were you ? WH visa is a good entry option and can be obtained over the internet quite easily, and yes you need to do it before travelling. I was 19, language was never a problem except with the local vernacular which I eventually learnt.
How long before your brain udjusted to poo flushing the opposite direct? I forgot in which direction poo flushed in the northern emipshere!
How did you stay after you working holiday Visa expired? Doing a Bachelor of sports science, changing my visa to student.
Cheers mate, will have a look now. Thank you very much. Edit: Just used the 'Visa Wizard' tool they have, seems they only offer up to 12 working holiday visa's. Do you have to reapply when it expires? Yes, and you need to have done some work in regional areas in order to reapply.
How is that even legal there with no visa/work visa to stay there for years? Are you there illegally? We're in the US and have looked in emigrating there and we don't qualify. I'm studying a degree on student visa which also allows part time work.
Is racism evident? Sometimes.
As a fellow Australian, you made me smile with "thundercunt".. You definitely have the local vernacular down pat and it really does describe the Highway Patrol perfectly. Otherwise, the local police are generally helpful and polite, just people trying to do their jobs with minimal fuss. Ahaha! all my friends are locals, they tech me well. I agree, always found Aussie cops to be very good and reasonable.
As long as you like the paintings, doesn't matter their source or cost. Art value is entirely subjective. True, but deceiving people like that is never good. I wish we didn't have to, but it was pretty much the only way to get the door opened. It's super hard stuff guys, people dont like to be harassed by salesmen at their home's door and rarely give you a chance. If they eventually opened, it's not like I could go "Lol jk this shit's from China and that's my 3rd job of the week!" Plus, honestly, they were really nice paintings I could tell many clients genuinely liked them. I remember a few addresses though, might pop some money in their mailbox one day ;)
Same here. Luckily I was broke. Socially-awkward me had a very hard time getting rid of the guy. No wonders! He's hungry and working on commission :D.
Another italian here. My hometown is near Milan, I live in Sydney over here.
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That's a shame. There used to be a time when laws prevented the likes of you from entering australia. Good ol days of white australia and stolen generations, fuck those were good times isnt it.
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