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Wrestling Observer Rewind ★ Apr. 4, 1988

Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words, continuing in the footsteps of daprice82. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives.
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  • ”This is horrible, Gorilla.” These words open the issue this week, because Wrestlemania IV is in the books and, well, it was not pretty. Dave is flabbergasted by how bad a show it was, wondering if this was a dream or a nightmare that he hasn’t woken up from. Wrestlemania III was the best wrestling production of all time. It may not have had the best card, but it was entertaining all around and the fans loved it. It set Vince up as the king of wrestling, all-powerful over the business. He’s still the king, but he’s definitely not all-powerful, and Crockett absolutely kicked Vince’s ass on March 27. Financials will take time to come in, and of course McMahon will win that measure, but we can flash back to January 24 for an analogue: The Royal Rumble won even though the Bunkhouse Finals made more money.
  • Preliminary info Dave has gotten from phoning cable companies and hearing from fans at closed-circuit site is that Wrestlemania interest was down by nearly half of last year’s. The buyrate for ppv could be as low as 6 percent, half of WWF’s expected 12% and still way down from last year’s 10.3%. Even so, the PPV gross would be $10.8 million, of which WWF can expect no more than $3.5 million, plus an estimated $2.3 million from a minimum 175,000 (last year had 375,000) at closed-circuit and a live gate of about $ million and an undisclosed site fee from Donald Trump for putting on the show. The early (and I mean early, don’t get attached to these numbers) overall estimate is a total gross of $14 million, with WWF netting maybe $6.5 million, a far cry from the $18 million they were predicting their take would be. How much was because Crockett ran the Clash? How much was because WWF just has been less interesting? It’s hard to say, but Crockett hurt McMahon way more than anyone could have anticipated.
  • As for the shows themselves, just absolute night and day between them. Crockett’s Clash was a really solid show. It wasn’t as polished a production and only had 30 minutes of wrestling in the first 90 minutes of the show, though this was to allow Sting/Flair to work without commercial breaks so it was an overall benefit. The matches, minus the barbed wire one, were all good. The crowd was into it. Two excellent matches. Probably best to never let Steve Williams talk again, though. The Jim Cornette and Eddie Haskel bit was great and made Bob Uecker and Gene Okerlund look worse than they were. Meanwhile, Wrestlemania made Starrcade 1987 look like Starrcade 1985, and that’s too nice to say even. WWF’s guys, rather than working harder because it was Wrestlemania, opted to phone it in instead because Wrestlemania itself would carry the day. Even Jesse Ventura had no good lines and coasted while Gorilla was like soundbites of his Wrestling Challenge commentary.
  • Anyway, Dave breaks down the major problems for WWF, as he sees them. 1) Hogan - he’s too over, to the point he overshadows everything else and by booking him as just one of the guys in the field, they completely devalued their star attraction. And instead of putting Randy over at the end, which they need to do if they’re going to try and have him be even close to as over as Hulk has been, they put Liz and Hulk over. “It’s like Randy can’t even order a taxi cab unless Liz tells Hulk to flag down the cab.” 2) Hindsight is always 20/20, but Trump Plaza was a terrible venue for a Wrestlemania, and the crowd just wasn’t a wrestling crowd, so they were not invested at all. 3) Steroids. Dave supposes he’s probably the most hated person in the world among the heavy steroid users in the business because of all the nicknames he gives them, but in all seriousness it was embarrassing to watch so many guys get blown up in a minute or two to where they couldn’t even pace out a five minute match. Like, take out the health issues, take out any sense of blame on the guys, Dave says. The tournament was embarrassing. It wasn’t funny to see the guys fail like this. It was just sad. 4) The tournament as a concept flopped. It gave fans no specific issue to focus on because belts in modern wrestling just don’t mean anything to fans - the real draw is the big personalities, and WWF proved it with this show: the only matches anyone cared about were the ones with Hogan and, to a lesser extent, DiBiase and Savage. 5) Spoilers. Too many people knew the outcome, and giving Savage the title is almost a mistake after you’ve given so many spoilers of your own show. ABC News did a report the morning after, saying “Randy Savage was the winner at Wrestlemania, but of course everyone knew it since the WWF magazine had printed the result three weeks ago. The WWF claims the magazine report was simply a typographical error.” Anyway, Dave is sick of people blaming him for their wrestling promotions not being able to draw fans at live shows when they aren’t interesting enough. Newsletter subscribers are maybe 0.002% of the viewing audience - if all Dave’s subscribers quit watching nobody would notice in the viewing numbers. Meanwhile, the fans who read newsletters are probably the most dedicated and put more money into the business than the “marks” do and will be the ones stubbornly holding on to the end if the business somehow were to die. So don’t blame Dave if your show sucks and your creative is bad and you give away your finish weeks ahead of time and don’t even bother changing it.
  • Anyway, Wrestlemania preliminary numbers time. About 540,000 homes on PPV, plus 195,000 through closed-circuit, as far as the U.S. goes. They did just 95 closed-circuit sites in the U.S., 39 of which had less than 2,000 capacity. No word on Crockett’s ratings, but if they hit a 5 on TBS that’s about 2 million homes.
  • So all that said, time to look at the Wrestlemania card. Good production, particularly the opening graphics, but not as far ahead of Crockett as last year now that they’ve upped their game. Battle royal started hot and quickly became your standard boring battle royal. The Hart/Badnews angle at the end saves the match from a dud and gets it half a star. DiBiase vs. Duggan was real slow for a five minute match, and Duggan no longer resembles the worker he was in UWF/Mid-South just a couple years ago. Very little heat. 1.5 stars. Muraco vs. Bravo gets half a star, and both were blown up by the double clothesline like they’d wrestled a hard 20 minutes, but the whole match was under 5. Valentine vs. Steamboat saw Valentine look tired and old, and just not have his famed longevity anymore. Good finish, solid work even with the timing issues. Steamboat coming out with his son and being able to be lost in the moment of just being a proud father was “a tremendous sight” for Dave. 2.25 stars. Savage vs. Reed got a pop for the finish but nothing else, really. 1 star. One Man Gang vs. Bam Bam Bigelow wasn’t good. It was obvious how bad Bigelow’s knee was, and that takes away his agility, which is the thing that sets him apart. Dave says this is a -1.5 star match in a vacuum, but considering Bam Bam’s condition he’s not going to rate it that low and calls it a dud instead. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts was a 15 minute draw and Dave hated it. He hated Rude’s tights, the many long rest holds, the fact that there just weren’t any moves in there to pop the crowd, and the fact that the crowd chanted boring. Worst match of the year candidate. -2 stars. Ultimate Warrior blew up before he entered the ring for his match with Hercules and the match was bad. -1.5 stars, and Dave says it was worse than Rude vs. Roberts, but gets a better rating for knowing when to be done quick and not overstaying its welcome like the other match did.
Watch: Cleanse your palate with Hogan’s weird promo from Wrestlemania about faultlines and Donald Trump caring about his family
  • Wrestlemania continued, because holy shit that was a really long paragraph and we needed an intermission. Round two saw Hogan and Andre go to a double disqualification to start off. Andre could barely stand by two and a half minutes in. Lots of shenanigans, Virgil took a nasty suplex on the floor where Hulk didn’t protect him at all, but there’s a glimmer of a future face push for him at least. Maybe his father’s a plumber, Dave quips. Half a star if you ignore the posing at the end (dud if you count the posing). But really, the crowd came to see Hogan pose. DiBiase vs. Muraco had no heat but decent action for its short stay. 1.5 stars. Savage vs. Valentine was good, well-paced with good action. 2.5 stars. Beefer vs. Honkytonk Man amazed Dave since neither was over at all when both usually are decently over. Sherri Martel made more noise than the entire audience. Loads of shenanigans, Beefer’s new haircut makes him look like a Davey Boy Smith with less wrestling ability, dud. Islanders and Heenan vs. Koko and the Bulldogs had some decent comedy and started okay, but got boring quick. 1.25 stars. Savage vs. One Man Gang was watchable but the finish sucked. Half a star. Demolition vs. Santana and Martel was solid throughout, although the crowd seemed on Demolition’s side. If the crowd had been responsive this would have been a really good match rather than just pretty good at 2.5 stars. DiBiase vs. Savage saw the crowd missing “two top-flight guys trying to work a good match” because they were watching the entrance waiting for Hogan. Savage sends Liz to get Hogan, Hogan evens the odds, Savage wins, Hogan must pose. 2.25 stars. Once round two started, the show was pretty decent, Dave thinks, just the first half of the show wasn’t RestholdMania, but Rigor Mortis Mania.
  • Over in Crockett Country, it’s a whole different story. They drew 6,000 fans to the Greensboro Coliseum, and all six thousand were champing at the bit for the show, which created a great energy that the wrestlers fed on for their matches. Rotunda retained the TV Title against Jimmy Garvin in the amateur rules match with a one-count pin, pinning Garvin a minute into the second round. 2.5 stars. The Midnight Express beat the Fantastics by DQ to retain the U.S. Tag Titles in a classic Memphis style brawl that was so action packed the cameras missed a lot of it. Dave gives them 4.25 stars, saying the action earned it 4.5, but the overused finish with the over the top rope throw and the referee reversing the decision lost it half a star, but then the post-match action with Corette lashing Bobby Fulton’s back with a belt got it back a quarter star. Dusty and the Road Warriors (the Rhode Warriors, I almost typed) beat Warlord and Barbarian and Ivan Koloff in a real short barbed wire match, and Dave notes the resemblance between Dudty wearing facepaint and a black t-shirt and Dump Matsumoto (with the notable difference that Dump is prettier). Ivan was bleeding after 20 seconds and Dusty after 90. Dave hates these matches - everyone gets all cautious and careful and stays in the center of the ring, so nothing really happens. 1 star. Luger and Barry Windham beat Arn and Tully for the NWA Tag Titles. Good match all around, 3.5 stars. Flair and Sting had a 45 minute draw for the NWA Title in a match of the year candidate. Slow pace to start, but the heat kept up and they weren’t dull and Flair sold the hell out of every rest hold. Jim Ross and Tony Schiavone did fantastic work on this, particularly Ross who sold the intensity and importance of the match, which was critical for the first half (if only he were still able to do that today). There were supposed to be three judges, but there were five people at the table, only two of them didn’t vote, so no idea what the point there was. Anyway, Patty Mullen (Penthouse Pet of the year and who had been on Ric’s arm the night before on tv) picked Flair. Gary Juster, former NWA promoter, voted for Sting. Sandy Scott then ruled it a draw, and nothing came of the judging gimmick which made it utterly pointless. 4.75 stars
Watch: Clash of the Champions. I’ve set it to start with the Steve Williams promo because it needs to be heard to be believed
  • During Clash of the Champions, after the first match, there was an ad on TBS for the WWF 900 number advertising play-by-play for Wrestlemania. WWF managed to get an ad on TBS during Crockett’s big special, and that’s hilarious. They also ran the first ad for the new Four Horsemen vitamins, which was hilarious but unintentionally so, and Dave thinks they aren’t going to sell a lot of those vitamins.
  • Last week Dave teased a big story, and it’s that Crockett has been negotiating with Ken Mantell of World Class Dave didn’t give any details beyond the tease last week because he was hoping to get more before press time. He promises to never note a major story the way he did again without giving more details up front, because he expected more details to break before he had to print copy but it didn’t. Anyway, negotiations have been ongoing for ten days and there are conflicting reports. Crockett’s goal is taking over World Class the way they did Florida, getting the valuable channel 11 time slot on Saturday nights in Dallas. They’re going to need Fritz on board to complete the deal, though. If it does go through, Kerry and Kevin will have guaranteed work and a push in the NWA, but neither really seems to want the travel, so they’d likely get a deal for local stuff and maybe occasional work in St. Louis. The bottom line everyone needs to consider, though, is that Mantell and Michael Hayes may be the most creative bookers anywhere right now, but they aren’t turning WCCW’s business around and it just may not work out that they can. Dave doesn’t expect a deal done now, but he thinks Mantell and Hayes may give themselves until May to see if their hard work will pay off before considering any offers.
  • An example of that creative booking is the WCCW title change on March 25 in Dallas. Hayes was at ringside with Kerry while Black Bart and Buddy Roberts were for Parsons. Iceman King Parsons is one of the least likely champions in wrestling history, and the match wasn’t particularly good, but the finish saw the lights go out after Terry Gordy came down, at which point Bart and Roberts used flashlights to blind the fans in the front row so nobody could see what happened. When the lights came back on, Kerry was knocked out in the ring, Hayes was bleeding on the floor, nobody knew who hit whom, and Parsons pinned Kerry to win the belt. They even had Kerry carted out on a stretcher. Dave doesn’t think (and actively prays against) Parsons will hold it for long. Hayes looks like the best prospect (nope. It’s going back to Kerry in May at the Von Erich Memorial Parade of Champions). Also, I just learned that King Parsons is his real legal name. I always thought combining Iceman and King was a weird combo of gimmicks, so that solves a mystery for me.
Watch: Iceman King Parsons wins the WCWA World Title
  • Eddie Gilbert is leaving Memphis to book for Continental beginning April 10. Continental’s business is bottoming out and it’ll be interesting to see if Gilbert and Missy can get things going there again like they did in Memphis. This also puts Memphis in some dire straits, since the Gilberts were basically all their storylines and they were drawing triple what they had been by giving the Gilberts such big spotlight, so they’re in trouble.
  • Lanny Poffo, brother of WWF Champion Randy Savage, has a book coming out called Wrestling with Rhyme. It’s a book of poetry coming out in late April and will be available at Walden Books. Man, I remember when Walden went out of business. It was a sad day for me.
  • The only news Dave has from Japan right now is that Bruiser Brody beat Jumbo Tsuruta for the International Title at Budokan Hall on March 27. Tenryu also retained his PWF Title against Hansen.
  • Roddy Piper’s latest project is a new film going into production called They Live.
Watch: They Live trailer
  • A correction on the Bruno Sammartino stuff. WWF isn’t trying to ban Bruno from using his name. They’re trying to ban him from using the trademarked nickname “The Living Legend” in contexts outside WWF. There’s a lot of talk about his radio interview , and some excerpts in the mail section of this issue.
  • There’s a film in the works about former Olympic and pro wrestler Chris Taylor. Taylor was a 450 lb wrestler from Iowa who won bronze in the 1972 Olympics and died in 1979. A book about him called “The Gentle Giant” is being adapted into a film, currently called “Lean On Me.” That does not wind up being the title, and I can’t find a movie based on him so this might have gotten scrapped. In other biopic news, no word from Hollywood on any upcoming Hulk Hogan movie.
  • WWF went up to the number 4 slot in the syndicated ratings for the week ending Feb. 28. They had a 10.6 rating, an increase on the previous week. Crockett’s network fell to number 9 with a 7.6.
  • Paul E. Dangerously firing Joe Pedicino, Gordon Solie, and Boni Blackstone on Pro Wrestling this Week aired this past weekend. It was fantastic stuff, and Paul has cemented himself as one of the top managers in the business. This is all part of a reformatting of the show to a 30 minute format with Pedicino and Patrick Schaeffer (who was the mastermind behind Global doing an IPO to build up a million dollars of operating capital) at the helm, with Schaeffer as the heel commentator.
  • Crockett had a big angle taped on March 21 that they aired this past Saturday, involving Magnum T.A. Magnum was doing an interview when Tully and J.J. came out, then Barry Windham came out and Tully popped Windham with a hit, then hit Magnum. J.J. was behind Magnum and helped Magnum gently go to ground, then Dusty barged in with a baseball bat and swung for the fences on Tully, then knocks out Jim Crockett without realizing who he’s swinging at when Jim and David Crockett and Rob Garner try to restore order. Jim Cornette did a tearful interview about his “good friend Jim Crockett” and Magnum even bladed, though that last didn’t make it to tv. Later on, Magnum came out and hit Tully with a bat in a match to cause a disqualification. Dave loved the concept here at first because you have to imagine Magnum hates being on the sidelines and wants to be involved to some extent and this gives him something to sink his teeth into. At the same time, “the idea of beating up a cripple, which unfortunately is the reality of the situation” is just kind of pathetic. That said, it’ll draw, and it’ll let Dusty (with Magnum in his corner) push himself as top star once again, and it may even be enough to put heat back on Dusty vs. Tully. Dusty will be suspended for 120 days come Saturday’s tv (taking us into July - will we see the Midnight Rider face Flair at the Bash, Dave wonders), Dusty will return as the Midnight Rider with Magnum at his side, and he’ll likely get the U.S. title in the tournament they’re going to hold in May.
Watch: Tully suckerpunches Magnum
  • The Oregon State Athletic Commission held a public hearing on March 18. Topics mostly stuck to safety concerns such as cleaning the mats, barriers at ringside, security, mats on the floor by ringside, etc. A lot of wrestlers were there, along with Billy Jack Haynes and Don and Barry Owen. Most of the wrestlers were negative about the Owens’ promotion, with only Tony Borne and Art Crews saying anything positive. Borne testified against the idea of using mats outside the ring, saying it’s not going to help as much as it hurts the visual effect of a spill to the floor. He also said the commission’s drug testing proposal went too far by including painkillers and marijuana on top of cocaine. The commission indicated they’ll be looking at action like the use of chairs in the future and potentially issuing fines. They also clarified their stance on blood: hardway is good, blading is bad. It’s pretty absurd to say that the more dangerous way of getting color is good but blading is bad, but this whole blood thing has become a thing for commissions around the country because blading sounds absolutely insane to people outside the industry, and even Dave has mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, blading is a minor safety issue at best, especially compared to rampant steroid and drug use and nasty bumps. On the other, Dave’s not sure fans are really drawn by excessive bleeding either, and probably actually turns off a large number of potential casual viewers. It doesn’t hurt if kept rare, but it doesn’t help if half the matches have it. And more dangerous to the wrestlers in a blood match than AIDS (they’re more likely to get that from outside activities) is scabies, which Owen’s wrestlers had an outbreak of not too far back. Rip Oliver said he’s gotten scabies four times since July and wound up giving it to his wife and kids on top of it. The outbreak led the Commission to pass a ruling against wrestlers working while they have communicable diseases and that they must notify promoters.
  • Eddie Gilbert vs. Jerry Lawler on March 21 drew 6,000 fans for Memphis. Gilbert won in what’s being hailed as a great match (and Dave’s heard their match the week before was even better). On tv on March 26 Gilbert acted like he was going to throw fire at Lance Russell, which got Lawler out from backstage in his first tv appearance in a month. They wound up brawling into the parking lot and Gilbert slammed Lawler on the hood of a car, shattering the windshield.
  • Scott Rechsteiner, using the ring name Scott Steiner, debuted as a babyface in Memphis recently. No mention of peaks or freaks yet.
  • Some random trivia about AWA Tag champ Paul Diamond. His real name is Tom Boric, and he was born in Winnipeg, you idiots, on May 11, 1961. He played soccer for the Tampa Bay Rowdies in the old North American Soccer League and was drafted sixth in the 1980 collegiate draft by the Calgary Boomers, before getting traded to Tampa in 1982. He stayed until the NASL folded, which is when he got into wrestling.
  • Anyway, Diamond and Tanaka won the belts because the Midnight Rockers wanted $500 a week guaranteed to stay and Verne doesn’t believe in guaranteed money. They don’t appear to have left yet.
  • [Continental] Looks like Eddie Gilbert is replacing Robert Fuller and going to be sole booker.
  • [USA] The other spinoff from the old Continental promotion ran its first big show in Knoxville, drawing a $10,000 gate. Previous sellouts there hit $27,000, to give an indication of relative value there. Not a lot to report about this. Moondog Spot is there as “The Dog.” He’s not a big dog. He’s not a little dog. He’s The Dog.
  • WCCW drew 1,700 on March 25 for their Dallas show, where Kerry dropped the title to Parsons. The other main event had Michael Hayes vs. Buddy Roberts, and Roberts kept trying to apologize for hitting Hayes, but Hayes wasn’t going to let it slide. Terry Gordy did a run in and broke things up, and told Hayes they sold Angel of Death’s contract so they can all be friends again. Hayes walked out on Gordy, though.
  • [WCCW] Fabulous Lance keeps getting booked for shows but hasn’t returned. His agent still doesn’t want him to be a heel because it’ll cut down his opportunities for tv and modeling work.
  • To illustrate how bad business is for World Class, here’s the biggest gate they drew out of three shows last week in Mississippi: $783.
  • A man named David Peschel of Washington, New Jersey is suing Randy Savage for a million dollars. He alleges that Savage punched and bodyslammed him when he got out of his car at a light to ask Savage for his autograph. He describes Savage as 6’4” and 280 lbs, prompting Dave to ask if this was maybe a different Randy Savage.
  • Rumor has it that Angelo Poffo put a $1 bet on the Wrestlemania tournament. Apparently, his bet was on Ted DiBiase.
  • According to a sumo journal in Japan, Futuhaguro is 99% certain he won’t go into pro wrestling. Koji Kitao will debut near the end of 1989 in the AWA, so I’ll put my dollar bet on the 1% chance.
  • Reader Mike Rodgers attended the Oregon commission hearing on March 18 and writes about his take. The commission is making big improvements to safety that he thinks are great, but thinks they’re overstepping by wanting to legitimately fine wrestlers who use foreign objects or chairs, and says they don’t understand “that promoters do what they can to fill up arenas.” Banning the blade but not blood is just going to increase the chance of legitimate injury, and it’s part of the proof that the commission really isn’t smart to what wrestling really is about.
  • We get a really long letter on Bruno’s radio interview. The writer taped the second hour and is hoping to get tape of the first hour. But before getting to the good stuff, he first wants to note that lying and silly gimmicks didn’t start in 1984 (was Gorilla Monsoon really from Manchuria? Didn’t Bruno employ gimmick wrestlers when he booked Pittsburgh? How about when he’d blade and claim to have spent the night hospitalized receiving transfusions) and that Bruno’s not really got a leg to stand on for “wrestling must be credible and it is an insult to the fans’ intelligence to lie to them.” Fans knew then just as they know now that it’s a work, but that doesn’t matter - you watch the show because it’s entertaining and you want to see the magician do their tricks. Also, the writer weighs in that the real story with the Main Event will be told by the demographic breakdown rather than the overall rating. In other words, is Hulk Hogan the Demo God? Anyway, after all this preamble, we finally get some quotes from the interview:
  • Bruno denies blading happened in his day but says “today, nothing would surprise me.”
  • Says he’ll never work for the NWA. “I wouldn’t touch it with a 50-foot pole.”
  • He breaks kayfabe on George Steele and says he’s been a teacher for years.
  • He thinks Bobby Heenan is a “dud and a disgrace” to wrestling.
  • He compliments Ric Flair as a guy who can give you an exciting 30 or 40 minute match, but the NWA “have an awful lot of bizarre nonsense in there that, to me, is no good.”
  • He says David wanted to be like him and he tried to warn David that these days they aren’t interested in “guys who just want to wrestle” but he’ll be going to Japan where they appreciate that better.
  • He didn’t like doing commentary. He just clocked in, did his job, and left as soon as he was done. He was very uncomfortable and unhappy doing it.
  • Bruno says WWF didn’t really have anything great to generate interest in the tournament for Wrestlemania.
  • A caller asks if his wrestling was all real, and Bruno says “Well, it was in my day, at least I thought it was.
  • We get a letter that feels so much like it could have been a post here on /SquaredCircle when Dave rated Omega/Okada 6 stars that I’m posting it in its entirety. Be warned, it is long, kind of racist, and absolutely bonkers, but that’s not unfamiliar around these parts. It gets the headline “Sick of praise for Japan.”
I get so sick of the way that people talk about Japanese wrestling. There’s no question it should be covered extensively in the Observer because it is a significant part of the wrestling world. However, when you start printing letters that criticize the American society and the jazz scene, then you are going way too far.
Anyone who thinks the Japanese never forsake quality for showmanship is full of it. The rock group KISS has enjoyed phenomenal success there because of their wild appearence [sic] and stage show. In fact, when they stopped wearing their makeup in the United States, they waited almost two years to do the same in Japan because they knew they wouldn’t be accepted there without it. And what about the movie industry? Do you think Godzilla movies are popular because of great acting?
As a student, I find teachers constantly comparing the American intelligence with that of the Japanese. I’m sure that the wrestlers love being compared to Japanese wrestlers as much as I love being compared to Japanese students. The Japanese do well at everything because they become obsessed with it. For them, it’s a matter of pride. If they screw up, it’s not only a mark on themselves but also on their entire family. You may think that’s great, but it puts a lot of pressure on everyone. They spend hours studying and I’m certain spend hours learning wrestling skills and have no time for themselves. Cut the North American wrestlers some slack. They’re just trying to make a living and preserve their bodies in the process. Look at what trying to wrestle like the Japanese did to Tommy Billington. Everyone would love matches filled with nothing but high spots, but working them is a great way to destroy yourself in a hurry. Now there is no excuse for total duds like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant either, but there are many non-Japanese who can hold their own without going crazy about it. I wonder how many Observer readers can honestly say that they work as hard at their own jobs as the Japanese in the same profession do. If they do, then I think they would quality [sic] as workaholics.
If there is anything wrong with our society, it’s the lack of national pride, which is so evident in the pages of the Observer. You seem to hate everything that wasn’t imported from the other side of the world. I have absolutely nothing against the country of Japan or Japanese wrestling, but I don’t think it’s up to a bunch of wrestling fans to dictate what’s wrong with our country just because they prefer the Oriental style of wrestling. I think the Observer is great, but I’d like to see you stick to writing about wrestling instead of how rotten our way of life is. I’m sure that’s what a Japanese journalist would do.
  • Anyway, Dave responds to that letter, giving the writer only 4 stars because it’s not in the literally-only-opened-a-couple-weeks-ago Tokyo Dome:
DM: Have I ever written about how rotten our quality of life is or done any cultural comparisons between the U.S. and Japan except to where it pertains to the wrestling business? If I lived in Japan and made a comparison of the quality of the football product and wrote the U.S. product was superior, I hope people wouldn’t take it as an indictment against an entire society.
  • Lastly, it’s about that time of year, I guess, because we have letters arguing about whether Dave should include GLOW coverage or not. Two letters this week on that theme, the first noting what the writer calls a progression in the letters calling for more coverage of women’s wrestling. First were the calls for more coverage of “conventional” women’s wrestling. Then the calls for GLOW coverage. Then POWW. Guess the next will be coverage of the apartment house wrestling scene, the writer supposes. The other writer claims to speak for 90% of subscribers and says Dave would offend that much of his readership if he covers GLOW and POWW and says that if you even consider GLOW to be pro wrestling, you’re incapable of understanding what makes a match good or not. This one asks if Dave’s going to be asked to cover mud wrestling next. There’s no misogyny problem in wrestling fandom. Move along. Nothing to see here.
  • Back to news, the Kentucky Athletic Commission has put up some new rules. There are to be guard rails around the ring now. Throwing an opponent over the top rope will result in a fine or suspension. Ditto for any referee who doesn’t immediately stop the match for it. The top rope rule is now state law, as insane as that sounds.
  • Dave should have national numbers next week, but in Atlanta Clash of the Champions drew an 11.7 rating, with the FlaiSting match hitting 14.5 National numbers will not be nearly that high, but hitting that 5 Dave mentioned earlier that would mean 2 million viewers doesn’t seem so far fetched anymore. Clash beat the NCAA tournament on the networks in Atlanta. TBS is reportedly looking to do another in prime time on a Wednesday early in the summer.
  • Stampede set up an angle where Johnny Smith (kayfabe Davey Boy’s cousin or brother or something) argued with Diana Hart Smith, which got Owen out to defend his sister. Davey Boy was supposed to come in after Wrestlemania to work with Johnny, but Vince put the kibosh on that. There were also considerations for some Stampede guys to participate in the Crockett Cup, but politics (Vince) made that a no-go. So it’s probably no coincidence that when Owen did the job for Hercules it was just outside Greensboro. Anyway, the real takeaway is that Owen is probably coming over to WWF by the end of the year.
NEXT WEEK: Clash vs. Wrestlemania poll results, Clash ratings and Wrestlemania buyrate, an assload of mini headlines because news is apparently thin next week, and more
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Sakyu Basu: me and my sister are reasonable enough people, and neither of us would be caught dead joining the occult, however i would like to know what they spend all day doing, if you could perhaps show me a picture of them doing whatever it is they do, i would be in your debt. (if you say no) i understand, though I'm a bit.. disappointed. (if yes) thank you for this, you don't know how much this means to me. [photograph them looking at one of the 6 mysteries] oh, i see they are investigating the mysteries, i'm glad they aren't stalking me or my sister anymore.
Inkyu Basu: you probably have noticed my sister's ring, its a family heirloom, It came with a necklace with a similarly designed pendant. i appear to have... lost it... somewhere, would you please help me find it? (if you say no) No!?!! why not! its not like im asking you to give me a hundred dollars! (if yes) really! i cant thank you enough! [after finding the necklace on the table in the occult room] you found it! it was, where? i don't know how it could've gotten there. Thanks anyway!
Kuu Dere: you want to help me? i need a new pen, i wore this one out. (if you answer no) okay (if you answer yes) okay [after finding a pen in class 1-2] thanks
Horuda Perasu: i feel bad for asking, but, i'm really hungry, could you please bring me some chips? i promise I'll pay you back (if you answer no) oh, i understand... sorry for complaining (if you say yes) really!?!! thank you so much! [after getting the salty snacks] you actually got them for me! i dont know how to thank you!
Otohiko Meichi: you want to do something for me? well, i need [headache poison's name here] for my illness, in large dosages it can cause headaches so nasu doesn't have any, so i don't know how you would get it, but if you could find a way, it would be super helpful. (if you say no) oh, i cant blame you, if i were in your position, i'd turn me down too. (if you say yes) really! thankyoutankyouTHANKYOU! [after purchasing the headache poison from info-chan] you actually got it! Thank you sooooo much!
Toga Tabara: i'm failing in biology, and there is a test coming up that if i do good on it could bring my grades up, if you could find me an answer sheet, just for me to study from! not to cheat! i would be so grateful (if you say no) i promise i'm not a cheater! oh, please don't report me to the guidance counselor (if yes) I-uh...um...thank you! [after you give him the answer sheet] you really got this for me! thanks!
Shoku Tsuburaya: as the leader of the cooking club, i love making food everyone can eat, you are probably aware of sakura's medical condition, it makes her unable to eat certain foods. I've varied my recipe three times but i haven't been able to meet her dietary needs, could you ask her what she can eat and what she likes on my behalf? it would mean so much. (if no) oh, i see you're busy right now, no worries, I'll ask her myself. (if yes) thank you so much. (after you ask sakura) Shoku is so nice! i cant believe he wants to change his recipe just so i can have some! i can't have most meats, because of the fat content, nor can i have the mayo he uses on his open face sandwiches, though i'm not gluten intolerant, its easier for me to eat gluten free bread, also i love Swiss cheese! if it's too much, tell him to just make me salad without dressing or croutons. [after talking to sakura] that sounds like a lot of requirements, i feel so bad for sakura, thanks for helping me help her anyway!
kenko sukoyaka: i need some carrots for this mixed salad i'm preparing, i'm pretty sure there are some growing in the gardening club, if you could get me one, that would be great. (if no) oh, okay then, ill just use some from here (if yes) thanks, i bet it will taste delicious [after getting them from the gardening club] you got them! thanks! ill start dicing them right away.
Seiyo Akanishi: now that you mention it, i do need something, i'm making fish and chips, but i don't have any chips-er-fries. i hear that someone in the gaming club just bought some but sense they aren't fried yet, no one has eaten any. if you could... um... steal them for me, i would appreciate it very much. (if no) oh, if your worried about them wanting the non-fried fries, trust me, they don't want them. (if yes) thank you! and don't worry, i know how to fry them. [after stealing the fries] thanks! these are perfect
Ajia Ashitomi: you came just at the right time, i need some wasabi. i'm not sure why, but there is some in one of the specialty classrooms (if no) please! i need it, ugh fine, i'll get it myself. (if yes) thanks! i really appreciate it. [after getting it from the calligraphy classroom] you found it! thanks!
Tsuruzo Yamazaki: as you are most certainly aware, the illustrious drama club are preforming the well renowned musical: lovesick, it tells the thrilling and captivating story of a melancholy highschool teacher who falls in love with a beautiful man named flavio, she is so in love with him it is said that the teacher thought of him as the only reason to live and would do anything to become his wife. she then murders all of the woman he talks to, including his wife, boss, and daughter all while maintaining a mask of innocence. though i thought i had every contingency prepared for, i appear to have run out of costumes. if you could be so kind as to get me a uniform covered in red paint, i would be in your favor. [if no] don't you care about if this play is a success or not! (if yes) excellent! i await your return! [if you come with a paint or blood stained uniform] this is excellent! it looks as if it were real blood!
Shozo Kurosawa: you know how i'm part of they upcoming play, well, i'm playing madame Everette, a woman who has knee-length hair. Tsuruzo was kind enough to buy me a wig, but i appear to have lost it. if you could find it i would be beyond grateful! (if no) oh, i understand, just keep an eye out, okay? (if yes) thank you, i think it's somewhere around the cafeteria. [if you find it in the outdoor cafeteria] you found it! now practicing with be a lot easier.
Tokuko Kitagawa: you want to help me? the only way you could help me is to give me a better part in this play, i mean, shozo got a better part than me, and I've been acting scene i was in diapers! (if no) thanks for letting me vent for a little bit, but i have lines to practice, (if yes) you can get me a better part? thanks! (talking to Tsuruzo) Tokuko wants a better part? why didn't she ask sooner! i thought her talents went to waste on the part she got, though I'll have to run it buy Kizzana, I'll switch her and Kokona's parts. Kokona didn't want such a big part anyway. [after talking to Tsuruzo] Tsuruzo just texted me that i got the part! i don't know what you did, but thank you so much!
Shin Higaonna: you want to help.. me? our leader has told us that two of the students here are unworldly beings, i'm afraid to get near them. could you photograph them so we can analyze them? (if no) oh, i understand, i don't want to go near them either. (if yes) you are truly a brave soul. [after photographing the basu sisters] that one is clearly a vampire im not sure about the other one. thank you for bringing us a means to study them.
Chojo Terajima: you are asking to help? i do need something, something i cannot do. i need you to take a photo of the apparition in the the third floor woman's bathroom. kokoma and supana are both too scared to do it, i don't blame them. (if no) i don't blame you either (if yes) i don't know how to thank you. [if you get a photo of the ghost in the bathroom] this thing, makes me feel.. sorry for it
Daku Atsuzawa: i am angry at Shin, we all cover our eyes for kokuma, she is being abused at home. we cover our eyes so she isn't the lone target for the bullies. i'm not sure why, but Shin refuses to cover his eye. could you please tell him to cover it. (if no) you are as bad as the tan girls (if yes) thank you, kokoma will be pleased. (asking shin) i keep both eyes open because we need one person with two eyes to oversee the rituals. but if it means so much to kokoma, then i will cover it all the time except 5-5:30
Supana Chijimatsu: yesterday i left my summoning book here overnight. i believe a faculty member thought it was one of the library books as but it there. could you go and get it for me? (if no) you are only afraid of the book because you don't understand. (if yes) i hope i can remember how to pronounce Latin correctly [after getting the book] i appreciate this.
Kokuma Jikihara: i need the occult knife heated for tonight's summoning, however i'm not allowed to go in there anymore, could you heat it for me? (if no) oh, okay. (if yes) thank you, if a demon got out i would save you from it's unrelenting thirst for bloodshed. [if you heat the knife] thank you for doing this.
Borupen Sadatoshi:
Enipitsu Yodogawa: i'm tired of using a mirror as reference for my artworks. i wish i could have a tiny model of me or something. oh! i know what you could do for me! you could take a picture of me! (if no) you are just jealous of my outstanding looks! (if yes) Excellent! [after you take a picture of him] why... its beautiful! thank you darling for showing me; me!
Maka Tensi: i'm not sure what i should paint... i want to paint something that represents a feeling. something sort of like love but it more represents need. do you understand? (if no) i don't think i understand either. (if yes) really! i just need you to bring me a picture of something that is like that. [after taking a picture of sempi] that's interesting, i'm going to paint in the same way that you took this photo. Thanks!
Effune Nunomaki: you can probably tell, i like to draw anime, i'm working on a piece with magical girl pretty myukii. i want to draw her defeating a monster, but i don't know what they look like, could you help me? (if no) oh, i guess i am asking a lot of you. (if yes) really! thanks! [after taking a picture of one of the monsters in the AR game] oh, so that's what they look like. Thanks!
Miyuji Shibakoya: well, i do need one thing, i lost my capo (idk how it is spelled, thing for guitars to make the strings shorter that you clamp onto the neck) when i was practicing in one of the Japanese gardens, actually, i think a lot of members lost items for their instruments there. (if no) oh well, i'm sure it will turn up. (if yes) radical, hope you find it. [if you find it] you found it! awesome! i'll sound freaking badarse now.
Beshi Takamine: oh yes, i actually lost my music sheet while practicing in one of those gardens that the marshal artists fight in. if you could find it that would be great (if no) oh, welp, no hard feelings. (if yes) oh gosh, really? thanks! [after finding it] you found them! i owe you one.
Dora Tomamoto: umm, i actually do need something, i left one of my drumsticks somewhere, so right now i'm using two unevenly sized ones. if you could find it i would really appreciate it. (if no) oh, okay, i'll just keep using this then. (if yes) sweet. [after finding it] awesome! now i can play much easier!
Kiba Kawaito: i lost my batteries for my key-tar, probably in the marshal artist's garden. it would be really cool of you to retrieve them for me. (if no) suit yourself (if yes) coolio [after getting the batteries] cool beens
Kaga Kusha: i am working on a top secret project that DEFINITELY WON'T be used to dominate the world. even if you could comprehend this world domina-i mean this world helping device, i wouldn't tell you what it is for. i need to monitor some normal human interaction online, so if you could somehow acquire a phone, i could use it. (if no) i will not save you from the robot armies. (if yes) well then why are you still standing here? go forth my henchmen. [if you give him a stolen phone] excellent all of this information will prove very useful.
Horo Guramu: oh, umm i don't really need anything right now, i guess you could get me a book from the library, but i don't really care (if either yes or no) okay, i got work to do now so move along. [if you get the book] oh ya, i asked to to get me that. umm thanks.
Yaku Zaishi: okay, there is this really great show magical girl pretty miyukii and i really want horo to watch it! could you perhaps mention it to him, like try to integrate it into passing conversation? (if no) why not? well i guess you have you reasons. (if yes) really! thanks! (when talking to horo) did Yaku set you up for this? he's been talking about that show non-stop. welp, i might check it out but tell him that i said it sounded stupid. [after talking to horo] thanks for talking to him! what did he say! he said WHAT!!!
Meka Nikaru: i need a wrench, i thought i had everything in my tool box but i cant find my 12 cm wrench. i think it's in one of the utility closets. (if no) just tell me if you see it (if yes) thanks! you are such a nice person.
Homu Kurusu: i cant tell you why, but i need a picture of one of the gardening club members, the one with the long purple braid. (if no) why would you ask if i needed help if you weren't going to help me? (if yes) thanks, i appreciate this. [after you take a picture] this will do quite well, thanks again
Itachi Zametora: i need to make sure everyone is preforming adequately, could you take a picture of us stretching? (if no) then get out of my sight! (if yes) go do it, i don't have all day. [after taking a picture of them stretching] good, good, i guess that means, i owe you one.
Hojiro Zameshiro this sounds bad, but i want you to... drop a weight on Itachi's foot. if he is injured then i might be able to outperform him. please don't think i'm a terrible person. (if no) i see, please don't tell anyone i asked you! (if yes) really! thanks! try to make it look like an accident, if you can. [after you press e while holding a weight next to him] (Itachi) Ahhhhh! why would you do that! i don't care if it was an accident! be more careful! (Hojiro) that was excellent! oh, gosh, i feel like a terrible person. thanks anyway
Unagi Denkashiza: this may sound odd... but i lost my baseball. it's very important to me and i need it back, i don't know where it is and i need to find it before the guidance counselor does (if no) fine! i'll find it by myself! (if yes) okay, good, just make sure the counselor doesn't see you either. [after you find the ball next to her window] oh, it was just sitting by her window? i could've sworn the window broke, anyway i suppose i still owe you one.
Iruka dorufino: i'm not sure if i'm doing the best i can in my physical studies, i'm not sure what more i can do though, could you perhaps ask Coach for me? (if no) come on, Coach isn't scary! (if yes) Excellent! i know Coach will know what to say. if you talk to the coach (asking the coach) why, he's one of the fastest and strongest students i have, if anything i think he should take a break every once in a while [after asking the coach] take more breaks? well, whatever coach says goes.
Uekiya Engeika: this may sound harsh, but I'm not a fan of the occult. however, a certain club member has caught my eye. she isn't at school right now, but her and my talks have been, most interesting. i love the way she thinks and, though you can't ask her directly, i would like to know what she thinks of me. (if no) oh, um, i'm so sorry i made you uncomfortable. (if yes) Oh, thank you so much. (asking shin about her) our leader holds Uekiya in the highest regard, but is concerned that the demon-ghosts of the flowers might haunt her. [after talking to shin] she... is concerned about me being haunted by demon-ghosts... she's very interesting.
Himari Fujita: though i doubt i'd be cut out for joining their club, i love watching the marshal artists practice, i have even used some of their methods when defending Sumire last year when she was almost mugged. i'm really busy all day so i cant watch them practice, but if you could take a photo of them while they are practicing, i would really appreciate it. (if no) oh,okay then, ill just find a window of time somewhere. (if yes) thank you so much! [after you give her the photo] thanks! that's an interesting maneuver Rei is doing.
Sakura Hagiwara: every year i love to go watch the musical the drama club puts on, it brings me so much joy to see the character development and the wonderfully choreographed musical numbers, but this year it's on the same date as my doctor's appointment. if you could take a picture of them practicing i would be so grateful. (if no) oh, i understand, i don't want to be an inconvenience to you. (if yes) oh my! i cant thank you enough! i cant express how much this means! [after giving her the picture] why! it looks wonderful! they are true masters of the stage!
Sumire Suzuki: i cant seem to give enough water to my plot of flowers, no madder how much i give them, they always seem to dehydrate, could you help me? (if no) oh, okay then (if yes) really! thanks! [after watering them with either water or blood in the bucket] thank you so much for doing that the flowers look better than ever, i don't know why its stained red though.
Midori Gurin: Yandere-Chan! Yandere-Chan! i need help finding Pretty Myukii A.R. game-dev's e-mail! i've been blocked from their website so i cant look for the email! and i'm too busy emailing Yandere-dev to make a new Pretty girl Myukii account. (if no) i'll email yandere-dev to not allow you to refuse (if yes) thank you! but why are you asking to help me? [after searching on one of the computers in the computer lab] Thanks! I'll e-mail yandere-dev for a more involved task than this
Mai Waifu: the other day while i was walking past the art club, i saw a painting of me, i think it was a really nice jester and i would like to thank whoever drew it. could you help me figure out who painted it? (if yes) thanks! i'm pretty sure the artist was in the art club so ask them (asking any of the art club members besides effune or Gejiu) i belive Effune painted that one (asking Gejiu) Effune (asking Effune) oh, i was the one who painted that, i'm really proud of that one! {after asking one of the art club members] Effune? she's the one with the short blue hair right? anyway, ill thank her later
Kashiko Musrasaki: you know that freak horudo perasu? i bet she has some dirty secret, could you steal her phone and give it to me? i'd like totally pay you back somehow. (if no) okay, your loss (If yes) i can't wait to expose that creep for who she really is [after stealing horudo's phone] seriously? she only uses it to talk to her parents? oh well, thanks anyway
Hana Daidayama: Oh my gosh, that creep horudo perasu is so creepy... you know what would be fun? i want to see her covered in water, that would be hilarious. could you splash some water on her and take a picture for me? (if no) you think you're too good for that? well, you're not (if yes) make sure you get her on camera [after you do it] oh my gosh, that is hilarious. this is going all over kao-book.
Kokoro Momoiro: ugggh, i lost my makeup kit and my dad said that he wont buy me another one, could you help me find it? i think its in one of the girl's bathroom, and i need it so i can upload my 3 daily #nofilter selfies. i will be your bestie for-eves if you help me out (if no) gosh, you're useless (if yes) thankyouverymuch. [after you find the kit] oh my gosh, you actually found it! if i remember i will totally mention you to my 4362 followers
green bully i cant remember the name of: frankly, i can't pass my psychology class, can you like talk to nasu and get some pills to make me sick or something? (if no) oh, so you're too good to help me skip class? (if yes) we are totally going to get along [after getting emetic poison in whatever way] so i just drink a tiny bit of this and i get to skip class, okay we're besties now
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Nugu Roundup #53 - Fanatic Idols and Where to Find Them - 200823 + Album Giveaway

Hello and welcome to the latest Nugu Roundup!
What is this?: This is a weekly feature designed to highlight the unknown/underappreciated groups and soloists working hard in the Kpop world that often fall under the radar. Please share your own information, favorite performance videos, fanmeet stories, or anything else relevant below!
Last week we spent some time in the swamp with BLACK6IX. This week let's check out a girl group that's easy to be a fan of, let's get to know Fanatics!
Look at the first comment below for the winner of the eighth Nugu Roundup Album Giveaway, plus details on this week's album up for grabs!
What is Nugu?: While in Korean it literally means 'Who' in the broader Kpop context it refers to groups that are generally unknown amongst the greater public. It doesn't have to mean they're extremely new, though it can, and there are of course varying degrees of 'unknown' which some groups having very strong niche fandoms and others being almost invisible. I take a fairly broad view and will include groups that may be known to some, but who don't have widespread name recognition.
Let's get on with the show...
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Fanatics
Who are they?: Fanatics are an 8 member girl group under FENT. Their group name represents their desire for people to become very passionate fanatics about their music. They're somewhat unique in that they've had three title releases thus far but each has had a different member lineup.
Company: FENT, short for Fascino Entertainment, is primarily an acting agency, with Fanatics being their only music group. The agency was founded by Yoon Tae-joon, a former member of the 1st-gen boy group Eagle 5 (High School's company RichWorld was also founded by a former Eagle 5 member).
Group Interviews
Members
Debut (Flavor sub-unit): November 26th, 2018 with Milkshake (MV) Live Stage (Link) Dance Practice (Link) Chinese Version (MV)
Debut (full group): August 6th, 2019 with Sunday (MV) Live Stage (Link) Dance Practice (Link)
Most Recent Comeback: May 4th, 2020 with Vavi Girl (MV) Live Stage (Link) Choreography Video (Link)
YouTube Channel: Fanatics Official
Random Stuff
Trivia: SangA of Pink Fantasy was a pre-debut member of the group but transferred to MyDoll Entertainment before debut. Their company doesn't place restriction on them for mobile phone use and while they set goals for them for weight before comebacks they let the members manage their own diets to hit their goals. All of the members are fond of jokbal (braised pig's feet) and gamjatang (pork spine soup). The concept of the group is that the members taking part in each comeback will change and vary based on the concept of the album. The group doesn't all live in a dorm together but does live close to one another. Doi has her own apartment, Via, Rayeon, and Doah live in an apartment below in the same building, Sika and Chiayi live together in another building, and Chaelin and Yoonhye live together. The group's composition is similar to G-IDLE with Korean, Chinese, and Taiwanese members.

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Soloist of the Week
Jung Dae Hyun/Daehyun/Baby Hyun
Who is he?: A male soloist under STX Lion Heart Entertainment. He was the former main vocalist of the boy band B.A.P, leaving TS Entertainment after his contract expired.
Company: STX Lion Heart Entertainment is a relatively new company, founded in 2017. They represent a variety of actors, actresses, and solo musicians including Jung Joon Ho, Rang Yeon, JJANGYOU, and more.
Real Name: Jung Dae Hyun
Age: 27 (IA)
Solo Debut: December 1st, 2018 with Baby (MV) Live Performance (Link)
Most Recent Comeback: October 10th, 2019 with Aight (MV) Live Stage (Link)
Other Releases and MVs
Trivia: Daehyun was born in Gwangju but grew up in Busan. He has mostly assimilated into the Seoul dialect but still slips in to the Busan dialect on occasion. He has played the role of Lucian in the Korean adaptation of the musical Napoleon and has also acted in the Korean adaptation of Grease. His favorite food is cheesecake, and he dislikes bubble tea. He has composed a number of songs for B.A.P and written two of his solo songs as well. He says he is happiest when he is on stage singing, and is known to become very emotional while on stage.
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IN MEMORIAM
AxisB
Who were they?: A five member boy group under AXB Entertainment and RB Entertainment. Their name came from combining 'Axis' meaning 'the center around which things revolve' and 'B' for Boys, representing their desire to be a group at the center of Kpop.
Releases
Active Between: September 28th, 2016 - Sometime in later 2017
Reasons for Disbanding: While there's precious little information available out there about them, it appears as it the group failed due to lack of money. Neither of the companies associated with the group seem to exist any longer, and the group was never able to promote on any of the music shows.
Random Stuff
Trivia: Leader Jung Hoon was previously a member of late-2nd gen co-ed group F1rst (along with fellow member DoA) (who had a great bop with I Love You, You Love Me (MV)) as well as short-lived boy group FameUS (along with fellow members DoA and Dae Young). He has appeared in the Mr. Trot competition this year.

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That's it for today, let's get the discussion on!
As always, if you have any suggestions for groups, content, or things you'd like to see, please let me know in the comments below.
Also as always, a big shout-out to u/not-named-in-credits for founding nugutown and u/sharnaranwan for continuing the work over there.
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[One Night In Sedona] [Derby] - Chapter 7

[Cover]
While attending a photography convention, Seddy witnesses a murder. She just wants to put it all behind her, but first someone breaks into her hotel room and then someone tries to kill her. Her new love interest and the local detective both seem very eager to help her and the chief of police keeps giving her strange looks. With no idea whom to trust, she realizes she may hold the one piece of evidence that could help solve the mystery.
[Chapter 1]
It took me a moment to process what Paul was saying. The timer signaled that I should turn off the water on the tap in the darkroom, but I couldn’t move. All I could do was stare at the picture of the woman he called Caitlin.
My mother. That’s why she had looked so familiar. It was my mother twenty-five years ago. I could see that now. She was only nineteen when she had me, naming me after the place where I had been conceived. Growing up, she never spoke much of my father, but Paul’s story fell right in line with the little I did know.
I opened and closed my mouth a few times. When it was clear I had no idea what to say, Paul gestured back to my SLR.
“When I saw that camera last night, I knew it was mine. I remember the day I had scratched my initials into the bottom. As soon as I left the restaurant, I called your mother. She was surprisingly easy to find.”
“With or without your police databases?”
Paul smiled. “Without. Social media is great for stalking people. Anyway, I told her I had run into you but you didn’t know who I was. We talked for a long time.”
“She never got married.” I glanced around. This was obviously the home of a bachelor. “Neither did you.”
He shook his head. “No, I didn’t. Like I said, I was in love with Caitlin. We talked for a long time. I promised her I would look out for you while you were here.”
“Is that why you offered to help me with the darkroom?”
He smiled. “I was always going to help you. I was trying to get my buddy at the high school to let us use the darkroom there. After the incident today, I decided my place would be safer.”
“So, now what?”
He got to his feet. “Now we go look at some negatives.”
I sighed as I followed him back to the darkroom. I had no idea how to even begin to digest what he had just told me. I decided to put all of my effort into processing the film. I would deal with Paul being my father — that was so weird to even think about — later.
I turned off the water in the sink and emptied the tank. Leaving it in the basin, I removed the top and pulled out the reel. I pulled away a small amount, just enough to clip it to the clothesline, then slowly rolled the rest off. When it was free, I found the cracked canister and clipped it to the bottom to help weigh it down.
Paul stood beside me with a penlight. “I know they’re not dry, but I’m dying to see.”
I nodded. “Me too.”
He held a sheet of paper behind the strip and shone his light at the image. I followed his light. I found the pictures of the mountains near the middle. Then people talking. I pointed to one of the frames.
“I think that’s it.”
“I think you’re right.” He switched off the light. “We have a couple of hours before this dries. How about some pizza and baseball? The Mets are playing the Diamondbacks.”
I raised my eyebrows. “You’re the reason my mom loves the Mets, aren’t you?”



While we waited for the pizza, I went into a guest room to call my mother. She more or less confirmed Paul’s story. He hadn’t told her about the incident at the steakhouse and I wasn't about to tell her about being pushed off the overlook, so I just let her think Paul and I had run into each other at a restaurant. It was close enough to the truth and I would give her all the details when I was home and she could see for herself that I was alright.
My mother kept asking me how I was handling the fact that I had found my father. I told her the truth — I was still in shock and had no idea what I was feeling. She seemed amused when I told her Paul and I were going to watch the game together and she said she would join us in spirit.
At the top and bottom of each inning, Paul would pop into the darkroom to check on the film. During the seventh inning stretch, it was finally dry. We switched off the television and got to work.
I cut the negatives into strips and loaded them into a sleeve Paul provided. Using the light box, we were able to confirm I indeed had a picture of the two men by the kitchen. There was only one image. The one before it was the older couple at the table beside me. The one after it was a chipmunk.
I placed the film in the carrier and moved it to the enlarger. Paul switched on the red light, darkening the room, then looked over my shoulder as we focused the image.
Two men stood by the kitchen. Paul pointed to the one on the right.
“That’s the victim.”
“Unfortunately, I didn’t get much of the other guy. I don’t know if this will help you at all.”
Paul squinted at the photo. “Hang on. What’s that?”
I looked where he was pointing. There was something on the man’s wrist. I enlarged the photo, re-centering and focusing it. When the image was clear, I gasped.
“Get the photo paper. I’d know that tattoo anywhere.”



“You should have contacted me sooner,” Dylan said as he sat across from me in the hotel lounge.
“I know. I just didn’t think it was a big deal.”
“Tell me everything.”
“We were hiking to the overlook to take pictures. I was standing on an embankment when this guy just took my camera and bowled me over. He destroyed my camera. I want to file a police report so I can put in a claim with my insurance company.”
Dylan nodded. “I’m reaching a dead end with the investigation. There’s just no evidence. I’m guessing someone thinks you have some sort of incriminating photograph. That’s why he was in your room and that’s why he took your camera. I don’t suppose you got a glimpse of the guy?”
I shook my head. “Not really. But, we did find a disposable camera. It might have fingerprints.”
“How about the other people on the hike with you? Did they see anyone?”
“Someone got it on camera, but it was just me falling. You couldn’t see the guy who pushed me.”
Dylan frowned. “That guy you had dinner with the other night. Was he with you?”
I nodded. “Logan? He was on the hike. I kind of lost him at that moment.”
Dylan took a deep breath and looked up from his phone. “I have to ask this. I was reading through your statements from the other day. Logan disappeared right before the shooting. Now you’re telling me he disappeared right before someone attacked you. He knows your room number and could have tossed the place. Is it possible he’s just pretending to be your friend to find out whether or not you can identify him?”
I took a shaky breath. “The thought crossed my mind. That’s why I really wanted to get those prints developed.”
Dylan shook his head. “I’m thinking you should just give me the roll. I bet the guys at the lab can process it. We’ll reimburse you and you can get the negatives back when we’re done with it.”
I smiled. “You don’t need to. I talked to my mother this afternoon. Do you know how I got my name? She and my father fell in love one night in Sedona. Apparently, he never left.”
I picked up my camera. “I told you this was his, right? He still has a darkroom. He helped me develop the film.”
I put the camera beside me and pulled out a folder, removing a photo.
“Turns out, I had a shot of the guys by the kitchen after all. See, there’s your dead guy.”
Dylan pointed to the other person in the picture.
“You can’t really see much of this guy, though.”
I pointed to the wrist. “Yeah, but I think that’s a tattoo. If you can identify that, you can find your killer.”
Dylan frowned. “Too bad you can't really see it.”
I smiled as I pulled out a second photograph. “Here. I blew it up for you.”
The resolution was perfect. I could easily discern the image. I pointed to the two characters. “I’m pretty sure that’s Japanese.”
Dylan glared at me as he clenched his fist, crumpling the photographs. When his spoke, his voice was low and harsh. “Where are the negatives?”
“My father took them. There’s just one thing I don’t understand.” I gestured to the photographs. “Why kill that guy?”
Dylan sighed. “We were in a poker game together. I lost a lot of money. I found out he was cheating and I tried to get the money back. He insisted he was innocent. Threatened to tell my boss I had a gambling problem.”
“But why’d you shoot him? You had to know it would be traced back to you.”
“He shot me. Missed. I took the gun, fired in self defense. Cleaned it and put it back at his place when we finished checking out his house. There was nothing linking me to him.”
“Except my photo. Is that why you tossed my room?”
“I was looking for your camera, your film, your SD card. Wherever that picture would be.”
“But, why’d you push me at the overlook?”
He shrugged. “I was trying to get the camera away from you. It wasn’t until after I took it that I realized it was the wrong one. Now, you’re going to have to take me to your father to get those negatives.”
“Oh, that won’t be necessary.”
Dylan looked up as Paul approached the table. “Chief. Seddy was just telling me she found a place to develop her pictures. We’re going to see if she has any helpful photographs.”
“Oh, she does. The negatives are already in my custody and will be used at your hearing. Dylan Wesler, you’re under arrest for the murder of Armando Bartz, tampering with evidence, breaking and entering at the Red Rock Resort, assault, destruction of property, and whatever else I can think of on the way to booking.”
Dylan looked at me. “I thought you said you gave the negatives to your father.”
Paul smiled. “Actually, Dylan, I have you to thank for introducing me to the daughter I never knew I had. Now, please don’t make a scene.”
Dylan got to his feet. “You can’t hold me. It's my word against hers.”
I held up my phone. “Paul, I’ve already emailed the conversation to you. I copied the crime lab like you told me to.”
Dylan shook his head. “None of this was supposed to happen. I just wanted my money back.”
Paul restrained Dylan's hands and took his gun before winking at me and leading Dylan out of the lounge. A moment later, Logan slid beside me, throwing an arm over my shoulder.
“How exactly do you make a mochatini anyway?”



Monday morning, I woke up disoriented again. I was in my hotel room, but something wasn’t quite right. There was someone in the bathroom.
I rolled over, planning on calling the front desk and letting them hear me scream that there was an intruder. Before I could lift the receiver, the person came into the room.
“I didn’t mean to wake you. Go back to sleep.”
I narrowed my eyes at Logan. “Why are you here?”
He shook his head. “I knew you had too much last night.”
I quickly checked under the covers. I was still fully dressed. Logan laughed.
“Don’t worry. Nothing happened. We got drunk, came up here and I passed out before I could go back to my room.”
Since I had the beginnings of a hangover, and all my clothes on, I tended to believe him. I checked the time. It was barely dawn. I looked back at Logan. “What time’s your flight?”
“Ten. I need to return the rental car, get through security, all that fun stuff.”
“Do you have time for breakfast?”
He crossed over to kiss me. “I can think of something else I’d rather do.”
By the time Logan left, he was running the risk of missing his flight. Once he was gone, I packed my own things and went in search of breakfast. Paul was waiting for me in the lobby.
“I was hoping to catch you before you left.”
I shrugged. Now that the investigation was over, I had no idea what I was supposed to say to the man. “Is everything all set with Dylan?”
Paul nodded. “His arraignment is later this morning. I think he’s going to try for temporary insanity, but he’s not denying the charges. I don’t think you have to worry about him coming after you again.”
I furrowed my brow. “I wasn’t. Not until you just said that.”
Paul shifted his weight uncomfortably. “I, um, called your mother again last night. I’ve got some vacation time saved up. I’m going to go home, visit my brother. I’d like to stop by and see you and your mom while I’m in town.”
I shrugged. “I don't live with her anymore.”
“No, but you live two towns away and have dinner with her and your grandparents every Sunday.”
I smiled. I guess he had been talking to my mother. “I would like that.”
“I would love to see your studio. I never had the guts to take up photography professionally. Oh. That reminds me.”
He handed me a manila envelope. “I took the liberty. Wait until you get on the plane.” I nodded and he took a step backwards. “Keep in touch, okay?”
“Thanks for looking out for me while I was here.”
Paul shook his head. “That wasn’t me. He’s a good catch.”
I could feel my face grow warm. Paul smirked, waved awkwardly, and headed out the main doors. I held my envelope close as I went to get my coffee. I was dying to see what was inside it, but I honored Paul’s request to wait for the flight.
After spending all weekend locked up without being used, my rental car smelled even worse than I remembered. I drove with the windows down the entire hour to the airport, but I was pretty sure the stench had made its way onto my clothes.
It took me a long time to get through the security line and even longer to purchase a sandwich at one of the take out restaurants. I made it to my gate just as my flight was boarding.
I was on one of those flights that did not have assigned seats, so I found a random window where there was plenty of room in the overhead bin to store my bags. Once I was buckled into my seat, I was able to finally open Paul’s envelope.
He had informed me the night before that the negatives would be held as evidence in Dylan’s trial, assuring me that I would get them back eventually, although it may take several months or even years. The envelope contained prints of the images from that strip, except the one I had shown Dylan, of course. As I flipped through them, I realized a number of them contained Logan.
Not the last picture in the pile. That contained a picture of a young woman looking at the Sedona mountains with a laughing smile.
“Is this seat taken?”
I turned to the aisle. “No, g—”
Logan slid into the seat beside me before I could finish my thought. I stared at him mouth agape.
“How — But — You—”
Logan smiled. “During the drive here, I realized you and I were heading to the same place. When I checked in, I discovered my flight was overbooked. They were more than happy to transfer me to this flight.”
“I can’t—That’s fantastic.”
“If I did everything right, I should be on your connecting flight, too.” Logan pointed to the picture in my lap. “Who’s that?”
I smiled as I passed him the stack. “That’s my mother. I can’t to introduce you to her.”
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[Table] r/AskHistorians — I am Dr. William Quinn, co-author of 'Boom and Bust: A Global History of Financial Bubbles', here to discuss the history of financial bubbles and crises. AMA!

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Thanks to everyone for your questions, I've had a great time chatting with everyone. It's getting late so I'm going to get to bed, but I'll check in again in the morning and answer a few more.
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Hi! Thanks for coming on. "the British bicycle mania of the 1890s" Please tell me more. Was this just a matter of speculation, or was there genuine mass use of bicycles as well as purchases? This was the subject of my PhD!
It happened just after the invention of the modern bicycle - check out the difference between 1880 bikes and 1886 bikes: http://www.kristinholt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/L-Hochrad-768x380.png.
Understandably, bicycles became much more popular, and by 1896 they were a genuine craze.
The price of bicycles themselves didn't have a bubble - they were already at a very high level - but they did crash after the boom. The bubble was in the shares of bicycle companies. A small number of existing bicycle companies suddenly reaped enormous profits, and their shares suddenly rose, sometimes by a factor of 10, making some investors rich overnight.
As Charles Kindleberger said, "There is nothing so disturbing to one's well-being and judgement as to see a friend get rich." So a few investors getting rich attracted what we'd describe as 'speculative' investors to the bicycle share market - people who buy things because they think the price will go up, rather than because they think it's a good company. Speculation is self-fulfilling - people buy because they think the price will rise, but people buying causes the price to rise. By the spring of 1897, bicycle companies were trading at a far higher price than their profits could justify, especially since the fashion for cycling was starting to fade. There was no "crash" as such - we describe it as a slow puncture - but by 1900 cycle shares had fallen by about 80%, and the vast majority of companies were bankrupt.
The survivors went on to become household names, though. Dunlop, Raleigh, and Rover were all bicycle bubble companies.
This might remind you of the dot-com bubble - the general story is pretty similar!
If anyone's interested in more detail, early versions of my papers on the bicycles are on our website: http://www.quceh.org.uk/uploads/1/0/5/5/10558478/wp16-06.pdf
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Didn't the Wright Brothers build bikes? Did they already have the bike shop in 1896? Did they get into airplanes because the bike market crashed? This may be a modern question: Can you compare the bike bubble to electric car bubble? I've heard that they did. Quite possibly they got into airplanes because the bicycle boom crash - that's how Riley and Rover got into cars. I don't know, though. The American bicycle boom around the same time wasn't part of the project - that's another PhD for someone else to do!
Thank you Dr. Quinn for taking the time. From all the historical bubbles you’ve studied, what were some qualitative and quantitative commonalities in most (if not all) of them? Do you see the same symptoms in today’s world? Great question! I wrote a blog post about our theory of bubbles, which we set out in the introduction: https://www.boomandbust.co.uk/blog/blog-post-title-one-zatwb . It's based on the commonalities between them, which are:
1. Abundant money and/or debt - people have lots of money to invest with. Bonus points if it's someone else's money. Usually this means low interest rates, but it can also mean banks have eased lending standards.
2. Marketability - assets are easy to buy and sell. Most bubbles are preceded by sudden increases in marketability, such as the conversion of untradeable debt into tradeable equity in 1720, or the use of mortgage-backed securities in the 2000s.
3. Speculation - people buy assets for no other reason than because they think the price will go up.
4. A "spark" - something that creates an initial price rise, attracting the speculative investors. We divide these into technological sparks e.g. the dot-com bubble, and political sparks e.g. ~all housing bubbles, the 1720 bubbles.
Do I see the same symptoms in today's world? YES. Interest rates are low, economies are loaded up with debt, and the internet makes everything much easier to buy, sell, and speculate in.
This is why we think bubbles are so much more common than they used to be. Between 1929 and the 1980s there were pretty much no major bubbles - a lot of financial economists started to think they were a myth. Since then we've had the Japanese stock and housing bubbles, the dot-com, housing bubbles all over the place, Chinese stock market bubbles in 2007 and 2015, the crypto bubble in 2017. So I expect we'll keep seeing bubbles happen pretty frequently, though it's very hard to say what they'll be in.
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Thanks for this answer Dr. Quinn. A follow up question to your response on historically common characteristics between bubbles. Are there common actions that economies have historically taken to correct course and turn a potentially malignant bubble to something more benign? The record of governments during bubbles is... not great. Some would argue that the Australian government did a good job of keeping house prices under control during the 2000s. But the German and US governments tried to tackle bubbles in the 1920s by raising interest rates, and in both cases this made things far, far worse.
We've definitely got better at managing the immediate aftermath of bubbles, largely by protecting financial institutions and credit channels. OTOH, the bursting of a bubble often reveals systemic problems that need to be reformed in the medium or long term, and we might even have got worse at fixing those.
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What would you say are good examples (if any exist) of bubbles which didn't burst - situations where everything you outline above was true, but in the end nothing much happened and the market just continued rising steadily or stayed leveled? In other words, if what you describe above is a "bubble test", what are some famous false positives? So say we divide bubbles into political and technological. A political bubble might never burst because the government finds a way to sustain high prices indefinitely. London after 2008 might fit this description.
I don't know of any technological bubbles that didn't burst, but a lot of them burst much later than people expected them to. Over the course of the 1990s, for example, internet stocks were a good investment for much longer than they were a bad one.
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Did the crypto bubble really have enough of an impact on the economy to classify it as a proper bubble, as opposed to a twenty first century tulip mania? You might be right - the crypto bubble had very little economic impact. It did involve financial assets though, rather than commodities. I think it has more in common with stock market bubbles than with the tulip mania, but it could be argued either way.
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Wouldn’t the progressive income tax rates in this time period also account for the lack of bubble bursting? There was an active effort by governments to restrain capital at that time, which kept money, debt, and marketability at low levels. Progressive income tax rates were a part of that wider effort, but I don't think they were the most important part - these were the days of capital controls and strict regulation on how much risk banks could take.
Hi! Thanks for doing this. My personal interests lie in history much more ancient than 1720s, so I tend to pay attention more to things like Mansa Musa's trip to Cairo and the inflation that occurred as a result of his largess, and the impact of Spanish gold on the Imperialist-era economy of Europe, but you're saying that the large fall in price comes with no "obvious cause" for it to count as a proper boom-and-bust cycle. Given my shaky understanding of the American housing crisis and my even looser understanding of how Roman apartments worked during the Republic (and how many records the Romans left), I'm a little surprised that there isn't more evidence of ancient boom-and-bust cycles. Do you have any speculation for why this is apparently a modern phenomena? It's a great question. The Mansa Musa trip was one of my favourite things I learned in my very first course in economic history.
I do think there were bubbles before 1720, but there really isn't much direct evidence of them. Partly this is because direct evidence is hard to find, and there aren't too many ancient financial historians around to do the work. But it's also probably fair to say that bubbles were much, much rarer pre-1720 than they are today.
We think this is because most assets weren't marketable enough. The appeal of investing in a bubble is getting rich quick - you buy it today, the price goes up 200% tomorrow, then you sell it and profit. But this only works if the law lets you do it, it's very easy to find a buyer and seller, and the whole process isn't too much hassle. So, for example, if there's no secondary market for government debt, you can't really get a bubble in government debt. And before 1720, that's how things were.
But 1720 marked the widespread adoption of financial assets that could easily be bought and sold. It could have marked the start of a new era of semi-frequent bubbles... except that after the Mississippi and South Sea Bubbles, governments quickly decided these assets were a terrible idea and most of them were banned. So we didn't see another bubble until 1825 (or arguably the Canal Mania of the 1790s, but the government really kept a lid on that one).
Thank you for stopping by AH, Dr Quinn. I am curious as to why you feel that the Dutch tulip mania "doesn't count" as a bubble. Other authors, such as Kindleberger, consider that it was, and I've always found the efforts made by writers such as Garber to suggest that the pricing of bulbs in the 1630s was fundamentally rational to be less than convincing. Can you elaborate on your thinking in this regard? Ha, I knew I'd get pulled up on that!
Tulips are consumption goods, so we can't really say whether their price is rational or not, just like we can't make that kind of call about, say, fine art.
That said, Garber denies that they became objects of speculation, which I find completely implausible. So even though it's untestable, I do think it was probably a bubble.
It definitely wasn't a major bubble though, because it was so completely economically inconsequential. We don't see anything happening in economic or price data, we don't see any bank failures. We don't even see a blip in the number of recorded bankruptcies, which suggests that participation in the market must have been extremely small (which makes sense, since the prices of the bulbs were prohibitive for all but the very rich).
So it's really just a bit of a curiosity, similar to the bubbles in beanie babies or baseball cards during the 20th century. It's just not in the same category as era-defining events like the 2000s housing bubble or the Wall Street Crash.
Hi Doctor Quinn, thank you for doing this AMA! During the earliest bubbles, did anyone recognise that the price increases were unsustainable? Did people predict the bubble bursting? Yes, lots. Daniel Defoe and Jonathan Swift were two notable bubble-sceptics during the South Sea Bubble. Lord Hutcheson, an MP, wrote an excellent financial analysis of the South Sea scheme explaining why it was a terrible investment.
I think the majority of people are usually sceptics during a bubble. But if you think there's a bubble in something, what can you do beyond not investing in it? Short-selling in a bubble is usually a terrible idea. It's like Keynes says, the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
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Interesting: so I'm guessing you don't think the ability to short a stock / a market (I don't know how long this ability has existed, whether or not it's a more recent phenomenon) has had a positive impact in tamping down or even preventing bubbles in more recent times? I think it probably helps tamp down bubbles a bit. It's just that it's so much easier and less risky to buy a stock than it is to short it, and it always has been.
Maybe we wouldn't see many bubbles in a market where it was as easy to bet against a stock as it was to bet on it. There's a bit of experimental work on this, but history doesn't tell us an awful lot.
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Interesting. This might be a little too in the weeds, but... Do you have ideas in mind of how to make short selling easier? Or, to put it more broadly, would such a task be on your list of 'initiatives to avoid future bubbles'? I'm not sure if that would be a good thing. Easy short selling might make bubbles less likely. But it might also lower asset prices, making it expensive for companies to raise capital, which would be bad for the economy. There hasn't been a huge amount of research on the real economic effects of short selling and short sale constraints.
Hello Dr. Quinn, it's nice to see such a subject come up here. You are talking about some bubbles being fairly benign but in my mind, when a bubble explode, there is money technically disappearing "overnight" and it is bound to have some repercussions on the economy, even if it's indirectly - like a landowner having to increase its rents to make up for the lost money. How can a bubble not affect the overall economy or even have beneficial effects? Thanks, it's nice to be here!
It's more accurate to say that there's a negligible effect on the overall economy - there is some effect, but it's so small it wouldn't show up in any economic data. This is the case when:
1. The people who lose money can afford to lose it, so the wealth effects you describe are minimal
2. The banks aren't exposed to the bubble
Technology bubbles could have beneficial effects by encouraging massive flows of money into very innovative parts of the economy. Whereas in a fully rational market, R+D is underfunded. If you get a financial crisis or a severe recession afterwards then this is completely insignificant, but if not, it might be fair to say that a bubble was a good thing for society.
What's common between different bubbles that have burst and what may be something that's unique about some (maybe the recent ones)? Also, have there been instances when a bubble was identified in hindsight but it never burst or rather just sizzled? Thank you! I'll answer the second question first. Most bubbles just sizzle rather than bursting. There are two big exceptions - 1929 in the US, and China in 2015. This was because during those bubbles, so many stocks were held on margin (i.e. with borrowed money). When prices started to fall, the banks issued margin calls, forcing indebted shareholders to sell their shares. This caused prices to fall further, leading to more margin calls, and so on.
But usually, prices fall pretty gradually.
I answered about commonalities earlier, so I'll talk about what was unique about the most recent bubbles in the book- the Chinese bubbles of 2007 and 2015. These were characterised by extensive state involvement in the market, culminating in a series of increasingly desperate (and unsuccessful) attempts to stop the crash. At one point, students at Tsinghua University were instructed to chant "Revive the A shares, benefit the people; Revive the A shares, benefit the people" at their graduation. All markets have some government involvement, but this was a new level.
Are bubbles black swan events that can't be predicted? Or can they be predicted? If they can be predicted, what are some indicators that you can look for? (Sorry if it's a dumb question, my only knowledge of financial bubbles comes from the movie The Big Short which is about a few individuals who saw the 2008 crash coming). The Big Short is a great movie, love it.
It depends what you mean by predicted. I think it's hard to tell when a bubble is coming in advance, but not impossible. To make it sound much easier than it is: if the government is pushing policies that will cause house prices to rise, then house prices will probably rise.
I think it's possible to tell when you're in a bubble. I wouldn't say it's easy. With the dot-com bubble, a lot of people who were praised afterwards for being the voice of reason were actually saying we were in a bubble long before we were. But there were also plenty of people who called it correctly.
I think it's almost impossible to tell when a bubble is going to burst. That's why I wouldn't recommend shorting one!
Hi thanks for doing this. Who generally suffers the most from these bubbles? Is there a general trend in the solutions that have been used to recover from the crisis after a bubble has burst? Strangely, we don't really see a common trend in the distributional effects of the bubbles themselves. It's not really the case that the rich are systematically better at riding the bubble and getting out at the right time.
But bubbles can lead to recessions, and in a recession it's always the poorest who are hit hardest.
Cleaning up the aftermath is much like managing any other recession. I'm more or less on board the very broad consensus in economics that governments should loosen monetary and fiscal policy while protecting the financial sector.
Hi, from my understanding the South Sea bubble had key figures responsible for the mayhem (it was Walpole). Are there any other bubbles that had mischievous actors significantly responsible for what happened? Yes! In the same year as the South Sea Bubble, the Mississippi Bubble was 100% John Law's baby. The Bicycle Mania was driven by a couple of very dodgy "promoters", most notably Ernest Terah Hooley, who engineered the flotation of the Dunlop Company.
At other times we push back against the role of the individual. The US media in the 1920s were obsessed with what powerful men were doing during the bubble, but we think its causes were much more structural.
What is your background Dr. Quinn? Economist or Historian? What fascinated you so much about the topic that made you dedicate so much time to writing a book about Financial Bubbles. I've tried to read a lot of economics focused literature in the past and I've always been a little disappointed in the lack of macro economic theory/metrics being referenced. (I also love graphs.. Haha) Thank you in advance if you do respond. Haha great question. Economists think I'm a historian and historians think I'm an economist.
My interest in bubbles would explain my choice of PhD - I think finance only gets really interesting when things go horribly wrong. As I was finishing up, the opportunity came up to spend three years writing this book with John, and I didn't have to think twice about it. Writing is hard and painful, but I couldn't do any other job.
I have a more general question: are all developed economies damned to be cyclical? There's so much discussion in politics about economic policy but in the end it seems like there's recession every 5-10 years brought on by one thing or another. It's a good question. I would say the answer depends on what you mean by cyclical. Does it require the economic cycles to be of a relatively fixed length?
If yes, then non-cyclical economies do exist. Booms can last anywhere from a few months to several decades, and recessions the same.
If no, then saying "economies are cyclical" is the same as saying "booms happen sometimes and recessions happen sometimes". And I do think recessions will always happen sometimes.
Dr. Quinn, how would you compare the parts malfeasance and greed/stupidity play during a boom? For example, I am incredibly frustrated by downplaying things like obfuscation of risk and sidelining the risk management units during the 2000s housing boom. But should I be? Oh you're completely right to be angry.
Malfeasance and fraud are often a part of bubbles, but what really stands out about the 2000s housing bubble is the total lack of consequences for those responsible. Those involved in other bubbles were dragged over the coals whether they deserved it or not. The Financial Times keeps a list of all the bankers who go to jail for their role in the 2000s crash: https://ig.ft.com/jailed-bankers/. The U.K., where I live, has none; the U.S. has one.
The Western coverage of Japan in the 1990s was fascinating to look back on while researching the book. The bubble and subsequent crisis were attributed to an unhealthily close relationship between politicians and businessmen, which shielded both from any consequences. But in comparison to the aftermath of the 2000s bubble, a lot of very powerful Japanese people went to jail for their activities during the bubble.
When did we come up with the idea of "bubbles"? How has our understanding/response changed from before/after we slapped a label on it? In the 1700s, "to bubble" meant "to deceive or defraud", and bubble was then used as a noun to describe the deceptive and fraudulent companies that sprung up when the South Sea scheme was taking place. This led to the Bubble Act of 1720, which outlawed almost all such companies. Over time, the meaning sort of morphed to describe a boom and bust in prices.
I would trace the concept back to Charles Mackay's Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds of 1841. It's a very unreliable source, but it also probably marks the first attempt to place these boom-bust episodes into one category to be analysed as a distinct phenomenon.
The Australian land boom you mention coincides with the process of federation of the Australian colonies. Did the bubble or its effects play a particular role in shaping federation? Good question! I really don't know. It was one of the most economically destructive bubbles ever, so it must have had some knock-on political effects, but I don't know what those effects were.
Hello! Thanks for stopping by to talk today about your work. Always great to hear from another scholar! 😁 Although I don’t have a question about financial bubbles in particular, I was hoping you’d be willing to talk about your and your co-author’s process while writing this comprehensive of a work. What made you decide to cover so many different types of bubbles across different continents of multiple centuries? Were there any particular difficulties with working with such disparate material? Did the material lend itself to universalist discoveries, or were different socio-cultural factors affect each bubble differently? Hopefully these questions can provide some interesting discussion, and congratulations on the publishing! Thanks! Had to think about this one!
We thought it was time someone did it - Kindleberger first came out almost 50 years ago, and so many bubbles have happened since, so much work on bubbles has been done.
There are language barriers for sure. An ongoing theme in the book is the role of the press, but we couldn't really cover that for the Japanese or (to a lesser extent) the Chinese bubble - we'd be relying on secondary sources too much.
We came up with a general theory of bubbles - the bubble triangle - which I posted above. It's not perfect, no theory is, but we think it fits the data very well. Personally I don't think history is at its most useful when it refuses completely to deal in generalities.
Have you identified any historical occasions where people thought there was a bubble, but the asset was actually not as overpriced as people thought and it did not crash? The early parts of the dot-com boom were like this, especially the Netscape IPO, which turned out to be an excellent investment. By the bubble's peak in 2000, one of the reasons people weren't listening to pessimists was because they'd been wrong so many times before.
What is the most common mistake people have made throughout history during bubble bursts? Probably overreacting. Historically the best times to buy stocks or houses have been in the aftermaths of busts.
That's tautological, but it still needs to be said, because overly optimistic investors get all kinds of mockery after a bubble, whereas overly pessimistic investors always seem to get away with bad predictions.
Hi Dr. Quinn, What are your thoughts on this this article? Their conclusion is the Japanese Asset Bubble and subsequent “lost decade” is the worst bubble of all time - I’ve noticed that this bubble hasn’t been mentioned elsewhere in the thread. I like it! I messaged the writer on Twitter when it came out.
The Japanese Bubble is a great choice for the greatest bubble of all time. The other candidates are the 2000s, for the global impact, and the Mississippi Bubble, which ate the entire French economy and set their financial development back a century.
Thank you for doing this! What economic tools/methods/techniques did the pre 20th century economists have at their disposal to identify with substantial evidence (relevant to their times) any potential bubble? Are there instances in that period when a potential bubble was identified and downsized before its repercussions hit the market? How did they achieve that? Very similar methods to the ones we'd use today, surprisingly! Lord Hutcheson used discounted cash flow analysis to argue that there was a bubble in South Sea stock in 1720, which is still the most theoretically sound way to value a stock.
how did people not catch on to the shenanigans keeping the south sea company afloat? pun intended Because it was so complicated!
Try to explain the scheme to someone today, with 300 years of research to draw upon. They'll look at you like you've tried to explain a collateralized debt obligation to them in 2005.
What do you think about the Austrian model of the business cycle from Mises and Hayek and how artificial low interest rates and government stimulus cause large booms, creating malinvestments that make busts harder and longer? The funny thing about the Mises/Hayek hypothesis is that they wrote it after the 1929 crash, for which it doesn't add up at all, because most of the bubble took place when interest rates were quite high. For other bubbles it fits much better.
I would agree with them that a lot of market movements are driven by political economy, often in the ways they describe. But the Austrian school seem to think that underneath all the political interference there's a market mechanism that would produce excellent outcomes, if we could only get rid of the politics stinking it up. I think politics is an imperfect solution to the existence of power in the world, and without politics, this power would manifest itself in violence more often, making markets even less efficient. But that's just how it looks to me.
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Comment deleted by user I don't think bubbles, in the way we define them, are 'inherent' to capitalism, because a lot of capitalist economies have existed for a very long time without experiencing any bubbles.
But clearly they're a capitalist phenomena. One of the sides of the bubble triangle is marketability, which is the essence of capitalism. And as we see in China, as countries become more capitalist, they experience more bubbles.
Hello Dr. Quinn! Very cool AMA so far, and I'm excited to read this book when it comes out. I'm not an Economics Major, but I do love reading and listening to materials on this topic, especially "The Big Short". Also, congratulations on getting this published in Cambridge University Press, I've heard that's no easy feat! First question: Due to the interconnection of a lot of the world markets, especially with instant electronic trading and massive amount of global trading, are bubbles and busts more frequent? Does the interconnectedness of world markets encourage overweighing the value of particular assets? Second question: In your research, did the asset bubbles typically require government action or intervention like the 2008 mortgage crisis? Thanks for taking your time for this AMA! Thanks! The answer to the first question is yes. Increased capital mobility is one of the main reasons for the increased frequency of bubbles and crises after 1980.
Interconnectedness tends to lead to the overvaluation of particular assets at particular times, because when one country or sector is exciting, the whole world can mobilise its money towards it. This money can then leave countries just as quickly, which often causes a financial crisis.
Did the government need to react to the consequences of asset bubbles? For the bigger ones, yes, to protect the financial sector. At other times they would have been better off reacting less. The stock market bubble of the 1920s theoretically shouldn't have damaged the US economy very much. But the Federal Reserve raised interest rates because it was worried about it, and this caused big problems elsewhere in the economy, especially for banks.
Hope you enjoy the book!
Is there a comparable setting in history regarding the disconnection of ownership and allocation of financial assets that we can see these days and, if yes, what could we learn from it? (For example, my pension savings are managed by my employer who gives them to Allianz who invests it wherever, even in hedge funds that by far don't follow any of my moral standards.) As far as I know, institutional investment on this scale is completely unprecedented. It doesn't seem healthy to me - so many incentives are messed up in so many ways. But unfortunately it's an area where the economic historians haven't been able to add much.
Great AMA, thanks! Looking forward reading your book, wonder if you see any trends in history of bubbles, how they change in their nature? What do people and governments learn from them and how (if at all) this correlate with development of economic science? They're becoming more common and, like everything else, more global.
Economics has learned too much to mention from the 2000s housing bubble. Maybe the one big lesson is that modern economies are deeply interconnected and absolutely dependent on a handful of multinational financial corporations. That leads to very different policy advice than you would give when it was possible to analyse nation states as individual economic units.
I look forward to reading about the Australian land boom, as it's a very important part of my period that I've never truly gotten my head around. I was wondering how the international nature of some of these bubbles affects how you study them. So to take Australia as an example: how do you follow chains of causality when you have a crisis that hits six autonomous economies but where so much of the disaster takes place in the City of London? How do you begin to identify what matters when you have so many different sources- dozens or hundreds of banks and finance houses, seven legislatures, probably thousands of newspapers and so on. The short answer is that it just takes THAT much work. Both of us worked non-stop on it, full time, for 3 years. The bibliography has over 700 sources in it, and that's after we trimmed it - it could easily be over 1,000. Then there was a lot of manual data entry, research that ended up going nowhere, and so on.
With Australia, we ended up following the money. House prices were driven up by a lot of first-time buyers - where did they get the money from? Mostly they borrowed it from land-boom companies - a bit like shadow banks. What were these land-boom companies? Where did they get their money from? And so on.
Hope you enjoy the book!
Would you find the causes associated with the 2000s housing bubble and the English South Sea Bubble comparable? Only in the sense that they were both driven by government policy. The motivations involved were very different. The South Sea Bubble was an elaborate scheme to reduce the government debt. The 2000s housing bubble arose from the political desire to expand homeownership without making houses more affordable.
I once heard someone claim that all major financial crises were in some way caused by the government. Do you know of a good counter-example? The government makes the rules for the financial sector, and any financial crisis could have been prevented by different/better rules. So in that sense it's true.
But if the intention of the claim was to argue that government intervention in the economy is inherently bad, the Australian financial crisis of the 1890s is a good counter-example, because it happened in a minimal-government-intervention, ultra-low-regulation environment.
Do you consider the “market cap to gdp” ratio a good indicator for a forming stock market bubble? I’ve been following the trend in the last 3-4 years and I noticed that it spiked to highs we haven’t seen in forty years. Everybody’s talking about investing but I’m just sitting in the sidelines thinking : “is everyone crazy? Everything points to a bubble about to burst.” I would love to hear your opinion.. and thanks for the AMA! Right now, stock prices are high by traditional measures because the government won't allow them to fall. Whether now is a good time to invest largely depends on whether you think this is sustainable or not. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but I wouldn't call it a bubble about to burst.
It's also hard to find an alternative. All investment assets are expensive at the moment.
Was the decline of Egypt in the Bronze Age not accompanied by a bubble? I've not heard this before! Do you have a good source on it?
Thank you Dr. Quinn. I was wondering what your opinion is of the effect of an increased pool of investors in a market in which they make uninformed investments because "everyone else is doing it and making so much money." A couple of examples come to mind like the dot com bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis, where large swathes of the public speculated in certain investments, internet stocks and mortgages respectively. Do you think an essential part of mania and bubbles is an increase of involvement of the general public? Definitely, the entry of new investors into the market comes up again and again. Very notable in light of the recent day trading boom!
what period or periods of history are ignored by schools or whatnot All of economic history is ignored by schools!
Does your book include The Mississippi Bubble and John Law/Louisiana? Yep!
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One Night In Sedona - Chapter 7

[Cover]
While attending a photography convention, Seddy witnesses a murder. She just wants to put it all behind her, but first someone breaks into her hotel room and then someone tries to kill her. Her new love interest and the local detective both seem very eager to help her and the chief of police keeps giving her strange looks. With no idea whom to trust, she realizes she may hold the one piece of evidence that could help solve the mystery.
[Chapter 1]
It took me a moment to process what Paul was saying. The timer signaled that I should turn off the water on the tap in the darkroom, but I couldn’t move. All I could do was stare at the picture of the woman he called Caitlin.
My mother. That’s why she had looked so familiar. It was my mother twenty-five years ago. I could see that now. She was only nineteen when she had me, naming me after the place where I had been conceived. Growing up, she never spoke much of my father, but Paul’s story fell right in line with the little I did know.
I opened and closed my mouth a few times. When it was clear I had no idea what to say, Paul gestured back to my SLR.
“When I saw that camera last night, I knew it was mine. I remember the day I had scratched my initials into the bottom. As soon as I left the restaurant, I called your mother. She was surprisingly easy to find.”
“With or without your police databases?”
Paul smiled. “Without. Social media is great for stalking people. Anyway, I told her I had run into you but you didn’t know who I was. We talked for a long time.”
“She never got married.” I glanced around. This was obviously the home of a bachelor. “Neither did you.”
He shook his head. “No, I didn’t. Like I said, I was in love with Caitlin. We talked for a long time. I promised her I would look out for you while you were here.”
“Is that why you offered to help me with the darkroom?”
He smiled. “I was always going to help you. I was trying to get my buddy at the high school to let us use the darkroom there. After the incident today, I decided my place would be safer.”
“So, now what?”
He got to his feet. “Now we go look at some negatives.”
I sighed as I followed him back to the darkroom. I had no idea how to even begin to digest what he had just told me. I decided to put all of my effort into processing the film. I would deal with Paul being my father — that was so weird to even think about — later.
I turned off the water in the sink and emptied the tank. Leaving it in the basin, I removed the top and pulled out the reel. I pulled away a small amount, just enough to clip it to the clothesline, then slowly rolled the rest off. When it was free, I found the cracked canister and clipped it to the bottom to help weigh it down.
Paul stood beside me with a penlight. “I know they’re not dry, but I’m dying to see.”
I nodded. “Me too.”
He held a sheet of paper behind the strip and shone his light at the image. I followed his light. I found the pictures of the mountains near the middle. Then people talking. I pointed to one of the frames.
“I think that’s it.”
“I think you’re right.” He switched off the light. “We have a couple of hours before this dries. How about some pizza and baseball? The Mets are playing the Diamondbacks.”
I raised my eyebrows. “You’re the reason my mom loves the Mets, aren’t you?”



While we waited for the pizza, I went into a guest room to call my mother. She more or less confirmed Paul’s story. He hadn’t told her about the incident at the steakhouse and I wasn't about to tell her about being pushed off the overlook, so I just let her think Paul and I had run into each other at a restaurant. It was close enough to the truth and I would give her all the details when I was home and she could see for herself that I was alright.
My mother kept asking me how I was handling the fact that I had found my father. I told her the truth — I was still in shock and had no idea what I was feeling. She seemed amused when I told her Paul and I were going to watch the game together and she said she would join us in spirit.
At the top and bottom of each inning, Paul would pop into the darkroom to check on the film. During the seventh inning stretch, it was finally dry. We switched off the television and got to work.
I cut the negatives into strips and loaded them into a sleeve Paul provided. Using the light box, we were able to confirm I indeed had a picture of the two men by the kitchen. There was only one image. The one before it was the older couple at the table beside me. The one after it was a chipmunk.
I placed the film in the carrier and moved it to the enlarger. Paul switched on the red light, darkening the room, then looked over my shoulder as we focused the image.
Two men stood by the kitchen. Paul pointed to the one on the right.
“That’s the victim.”
“Unfortunately, I didn’t get much of the other guy. I don’t know if this will help you at all.”
Paul squinted at the photo. “Hang on. What’s that?”
I looked where he was pointing. There was something on the man’s wrist. I enlarged the photo, re-centering and focusing it. When the image was clear, I gasped.
“Get the photo paper. I’d know that tattoo anywhere.”



“You should have contacted me sooner,” Dylan said as he sat across from me in the hotel lounge.
“I know. I just didn’t think it was a big deal.”
“Tell me everything.”
“We were hiking to the overlook to take pictures. I was standing on an embankment when this guy just took my camera and bowled me over. He destroyed my camera. I want to file a police report so I can put in a claim with my insurance company.”
Dylan nodded. “I’m reaching a dead end with the investigation. There’s just no evidence. I’m guessing someone thinks you have some sort of incriminating photograph. That’s why he was in your room and that’s why he took your camera. I don’t suppose you got a glimpse of the guy?”
I shook my head. “Not really. But, we did find a disposable camera. It might have fingerprints.”
“How about the other people on the hike with you? Did they see anyone?”
“Someone got it on camera, but it was just me falling. You couldn’t see the guy who pushed me.”
Dylan frowned. “That guy you had dinner with the other night. Was he with you?”
I nodded. “Logan? He was on the hike. I kind of lost him at that moment.”
Dylan took a deep breath and looked up from his phone. “I have to ask this. I was reading through your statements from the other day. Logan disappeared right before the shooting. Now you’re telling me he disappeared right before someone attacked you. He knows your room number and could have tossed the place. Is it possible he’s just pretending to be your friend to find out whether or not you can identify him?”
I took a shaky breath. “The thought crossed my mind. That’s why I really wanted to get those prints developed.”
Dylan shook his head. “I’m thinking you should just give me the roll. I bet the guys at the lab can process it. We’ll reimburse you and you can get the negatives back when we’re done with it.”
I smiled. “You don’t need to. I talked to my mother this afternoon. Do you know how I got my name? She and my father fell in love one night in Sedona. Apparently, he never left.”
I picked up my camera. “I told you this was his, right? He still has a darkroom. He helped me develop the film.”
I put the camera beside me and pulled out a folder, removing a photo.
“Turns out, I had a shot of the guys by the kitchen after all. See, there’s your dead guy.”
Dylan pointed to the other person in the picture.
“You can’t really see much of this guy, though.”
I pointed to the wrist. “Yeah, but I think that’s a tattoo. If you can identify that, you can find your killer.”
Dylan frowned. “Too bad you can't really see it.”
I smiled as I pulled out a second photograph. “Here. I blew it up for you.”
The resolution was perfect. I could easily discern the image. I pointed to the two characters. “I’m pretty sure that’s Japanese.”
Dylan glared at me as he clenched his fist, crumpling the photographs. When his spoke, his voice was low and harsh. “Where are the negatives?”
“My father took them. There’s just one thing I don’t understand.” I gestured to the photographs. “Why kill that guy?”
Dylan sighed. “We were in a poker game together. I lost a lot of money. I found out he was cheating and I tried to get the money back. He insisted he was innocent. Threatened to tell my boss I had a gambling problem.”
“But why’d you shoot him? You had to know it would be traced back to you.”
“He shot me. Missed. I took the gun, fired in self defense. Cleaned it and put it back at his place when we finished checking out his house. There was nothing linking me to him.”
“Except my photo. Is that why you tossed my room?”
“I was looking for your camera, your film, your SD card. Wherever that picture would be.”
“But, why’d you push me at the overlook?”
He shrugged. “I was trying to get the camera away from you. It wasn’t until after I took it that I realized it was the wrong one. Now, you’re going to have to take me to your father to get those negatives.”
“Oh, that won’t be necessary.”
Dylan looked up as Paul approached the table. “Chief. Seddy was just telling me she found a place to develop her pictures. We’re going to see if she has any helpful photographs.”
“Oh, she does. The negatives are already in my custody and will be used at your hearing. Dylan Wesler, you’re under arrest for the murder of Armando Bartz, tampering with evidence, breaking and entering at the Red Rock Resort, assault, destruction of property, and whatever else I can think of on the way to booking.”
Dylan looked at me. “I thought you said you gave the negatives to your father.”
Paul smiled. “Actually, Dylan, I have you to thank for introducing me to the daughter I never knew I had. Now, please don’t make a scene.”
Dylan got to his feet. “You can’t hold me. It's my word against hers.”
I held up my phone. “Paul, I’ve already emailed the conversation to you. I copied the crime lab like you told me to.”
Dylan shook his head. “None of this was supposed to happen. I just wanted my money back.”
Paul restrained Dylan's hands and took his gun before winking at me and leading Dylan out of the lounge. A moment later, Logan slid beside me, throwing an arm over my shoulder.
“How exactly do you make a mochatini anyway?”



Monday morning, I woke up disoriented again. I was in my hotel room, but something wasn’t quite right. There was someone in the bathroom.
I rolled over, planning on calling the front desk and letting them hear me scream that there was an intruder. Before I could lift the receiver, the person came into the room.
“I didn’t mean to wake you. Go back to sleep.”
I narrowed my eyes at Logan. “Why are you here?”
He shook his head. “I knew you had too much last night.”
I quickly checked under the covers. I was still fully dressed. Logan laughed.
“Don’t worry. Nothing happened. We got drunk, came up here and I passed out before I could go back to my room.”
Since I had the beginnings of a hangover, and all my clothes on, I tended to believe him. I checked the time. It was barely dawn. I looked back at Logan. “What time’s your flight?”
“Ten. I need to return the rental car, get through security, all that fun stuff.”
“Do you have time for breakfast?”
He crossed over to kiss me. “I can think of something else I’d rather do.”
By the time Logan left, he was running the risk of missing his flight. Once he was gone, I packed my own things and went in search of breakfast. Paul was waiting for me in the lobby.
“I was hoping to catch you before you left.”
I shrugged. Now that the investigation was over, I had no idea what I was supposed to say to the man. “Is everything all set with Dylan?”
Paul nodded. “His arraignment is later this morning. I think he’s going to try for temporary insanity, but he’s not denying the charges. I don’t think you have to worry about him coming after you again.”
I furrowed my brow. “I wasn’t. Not until you just said that.”
Paul shifted his weight uncomfortably. “I, um, called your mother again last night. I’ve got some vacation time saved up. I’m going to go home, visit my brother. I’d like to stop by and see you and your mom while I’m in town.”
I shrugged. “I don't live with her anymore.”
“No, but you live two towns away and have dinner with her and your grandparents every Sunday.”
I smiled. I guess he had been talking to my mother. “I would like that.”
“I would love to see your studio. I never had the guts to take up photography professionally. Oh. That reminds me.”
He handed me a manila envelope. “I took the liberty. Wait until you get on the plane.” I nodded and he took a step backwards. “Keep in touch, okay?”
“Thanks for looking out for me while I was here.”
Paul shook his head. “That wasn’t me. He’s a good catch.”
I could feel my face grow warm. Paul smirked, waved awkwardly, and headed out the main doors. I held my envelope close as I went to get my coffee. I was dying to see what was inside it, but I honored Paul’s request to wait for the flight.
After spending all weekend locked up without being used, my rental car smelled even worse than I remembered. I drove with the windows down the entire hour to the airport, but I was pretty sure the stench had made its way onto my clothes.
It took me a long time to get through the security line and even longer to purchase a sandwich at one of the take out restaurants. I made it to my gate just as my flight was boarding.
I was on one of those flights that did not have assigned seats, so I found a random window where there was plenty of room in the overhead bin to store my bags. Once I was buckled into my seat, I was able to finally open Paul’s envelope.
He had informed me the night before that the negatives would be held as evidence in Dylan’s trial, assuring me that I would get them back eventually, although it may take several months or even years. The envelope contained prints of the images from that strip, except the one I had shown Dylan, of course. As I flipped through them, I realized a number of them contained Logan.
Not the last picture in the pile. That contained a picture of a young woman looking at the Sedona mountains with a laughing smile.
“Is this seat taken?”
I turned to the aisle. “No, g—”
Logan slid into the seat beside me before I could finish my thought. I stared at him mouth agape.
“How — But — You—”
Logan smiled. “During the drive here, I realized you and I were heading to the same place. When I checked in, I discovered my flight was overbooked. They were more than happy to transfer me to this flight.”
“I can’t—That’s fantastic.”
“If I did everything right, I should be on your connecting flight, too.” Logan pointed to the picture in my lap. “Who’s that?”
I smiled as I passed him the stack. “That’s my mother. I can’t to introduce you to her.”
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