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What if the MLB and NPB Tigers and Giants traded leagues? [OOTP 21 Longread]

At the start of the 2020 baseball season, a common exclamation rang out on both sides of the Pacific.
"That can't be right."
"Are you sure that says Mariners and not Marines?" "I recognize the logo, but that roster sure as shit isn't Cincinnati!" "Do we even have a direct flight to Kansai International?!"
Due to a scheduling mishap caused by a rare software bug and/or a 14-year-old hacker from Finland, the MLB and NPB have effectively traded teams. The Yomiuri Giants and Hanshin Tigers have been placed in the NL West and AL Central, respectively; their similarly named cousins in San Francisco and Detroit join the Central League.
Betting websites have no idea what to do. MLB Network is okay with it because at least they now have early morning content for the Eastern Time Zone. The carbon offset market is flooded by 42 baseball teams striving to reduce their travel expenditures.
Let's see how these teams shape up relative to their new peers, eh?

Panic in Detroit?

The strength of this Tigers team is going to be pitching - Boyd, Norris, and Nova are a great 1-2-3 in NPB, and Joe Jimenez is already a top closer in Japan. The less said about the position players the better. Still, compared to the other NPB teams, they're a top-half team.

When the Lights Go Down in the City

The Giants are already rated top-4 in every category, with Posey, Longoria, Gausman, and Gott netting best-in-league honours. San Francisco is approaching this season with a surprising amount of excitement - at least they won't have to worry about the Dodgers in this league.

Viva Giants

Ohhhh boy. Only four players have green numbers or better - Rubby De La Rosa, Tomoyuki Sugano, Hayato Sakamoto, and Yoshihiro Maru...all of whom are free agents next season. Sugano's not even considered an ace in MLB; Maru's their only hope offensively and defensively.

The Colonel's Curse Works in Weird Ways

At least the Giants have a top-5 player. The Tigers are buried in the bottom-third at all positions. At least they have a DH to let Yoshio Itoi's bat loose? He's one of three players happy about this whole mess - the others are Justin Bour and Jerry Sands, about to embark on their revenge tour.

The Setup

In order to keep the San Francisco and Detroit teams compliant with NPB rules, I gave all members of the main roster temporary Japanese citizenship. They can only add four foreigners from their 40-man, to meet foreign player limits.
I didn't change minor league teams, so the ni-gun teams are staying in Japan and the full minor league system is intact for the ex-MLB squads. That's a long call-up if you're away from home.
Also, OOTP still can't get NPB rules quite right - there's no ties after 12 innings, and the Climax Series Final Stage is supposed to be best of 7 with the top seed getting a one-game advantage.
By luck of the draw, the NL West and AL Central will meet up this season to let the Giants and Tigers have some MLB action in Japan. I also went with the standard schedules - no coronavirus cancellations.

March

Have you ever been in San Francisco in March? Would you want to play baseball there? That's exactly what Detroit and the Frisco Giants did in their first ever NPB tilt at Oracle Park, where the wind is brisk and the mercury reads 45 degrees. The only thing colder were the bats - 0-for with RISP until the top of the 9th, when Jeimer Candelario clanked a triple off the right field wall, scoring 2. Jimenez picks up the save, and Detroit is unbeaten in NPB play! Boyd gets the win with 8 scoreless.
Meanwhile in MLB, Hanshin and Yomiuri took advantage of the lack of a foreign player limit to try and improve their roster by demoting youngsters, signing depth free agents, and calling up all their gaijin waku. Then their season got underway 6 days later, with Hanshin hosting Cleveland and Yomiuri hosting San Diego.
At Koshien, it wasn't Justin Bour or Jerry Sands who broke the game open, but 42-year-old Kosuke Fukudome with a 3-run jack to right in the 4th. Yusuke Ohyama hit one himself the next inning, and things were looking good for Hanshin...until Kyuji Fujikawa blew a gasket and gave up home runs to Jose Ramirez to get the Indians within one, and Roberto Perez to hand them the lead in the top of the 9th. 9-7 the final for the Tribe. Typical Hanshin.
Yomiuri didn't fare too much better, as Manny Machado cranked two solo shots, including the game-winner in the top of the 10th, to pace the Padres to a 3-2 extra-innings win at the Tokyo Dome. At least Maru got a two-run dinger of his own?
San Francisco has rebounded with 8 straight wins to tie Detroit for the CL lead at 8-2 as the calendar flips into April. Hanshin is 1-4 and Yomiuri is 2-3 over in MLB.

April

Things took a turn for the terrible for the Tigers in MLB. Hanshin went 7-19 for a putrid .269 win percentage; the lone bright spot was Yoshio Itoi plugging a five-hit game against the Yankees. Every starter has an ERA over 6, Bour is batting .141, and the team has resorted to dumpster diving to improve. Brian Dozier and Breyvic Valera both came over on waivers from the Padres. They are 12 games back of the AL Central after ONE MONTH.
The MLB Giants aren't faring much better with a 10-15 April, but most of that is a six-game losing streak they finished the month in. They added Hanley Ramirez on a minor league deal and Jonathan Lucroy off waivers from Boston. A highlight of the month was Gerardo Parra's return to Washington for a proper farewell; the Nats won 2 of 3, the last in extras, and each game by one run. Maybe Yomiuri CAN hang with this league!
The NPB Tigers have turned into pitching phenoms. Every starter's ERA sits at 2.75 or lower, and they rank 1st in the league for runs against, starters ERA, and FIP. They also league the league in HRs, as CJ Cron has racked up 10 to date. Detroit's seen two win streaks of five games or more in a 17-8 April. They're still 2 games back of...
The Giants of the NPB, both in name and results. In spite of a spate of injuries to Sandoval, Cueto, and Samardzija, San Francisco went 19-6 in April on the strength of their bats. Not sure how long Trevor Cahill is going to go without allowing an earned run, but he's at 22 IP already. The closest domestic competition to the Giants are the Hiroshima Toyo Carp and Yokohama DeNA BayStars, each 10 games back.

May

Hanshin went 7-22. Kosuke Fukudome still leads the team in HR and RBI. The starting pitching is still hot garbage. As a Hanshin fan, this is starting to hurt my soul.
On May 5, Yomiuri shipped Hirokazu Sawamura, one of their better relievers, to the Dodgers for a minor-league first baseman named Edwin Rios. Rios has batted .351 with 8 HR and 18 RBI since joining the Giants. Didn't exactly help, they still went 8-20 in May. More non-Japanese players are joining the roster too, like Cesar Puello (waiver from Boston), Jose Vinicio (minor league deal), Wilmer Font (waiver from Toronto), Clayton Richard (minor league deal), and Braden Shipley (trade from KC). Sugano's at least 4-3 with a 2.21 ERA.
Over in Detroit, Jeimer Candelario has turned it on and joins CJ Cron in double-digit HR territory, but a merely pedestrian 15-12 May isn't confidence inspiring.
San Francisco got Cueto and Anderson back, Kevin Gausman is 7-0 with a 0.95 ERA and won the Pitcher of the Month award, and the Giants have pulled 7 games ahead of the Tigers for the Central League pennant - they went 20-7 in May! The Japanese leagues haven't seen regular season dominance like this since the Invincible Seibu era.

June

Shintaro Fujinami's always been an enigma in NPB, but he's 2-2 with a 3.33 ERA in MLB; hope springs eternal in Nishinomiya. An 8-18 June is an improvement. I guess Logan Forsythe is an upgrade over Kento Itohara too, since he was claimed from the Phillies.
Yomiuri added another foreign hitter in Ildemaro Vargas; I mean, why not, Edwin Rios now has 15 home runs in 48 games. The other bats have gone frigid, though, and a 10-18 June shows it.
Casey Mize continued his absolute tear by throwing a no-hitter against the Chunichi Dragons on June 25; he's 9-3 with a 1.76 ERA after that start. With Michael Fulmer back from TJ surgery, Detroit's got a chance to gain ground on the Giants in spite of a 13-8 June.
Uh-oh - Johnny Cueto's UCL tore, he's done for the season. San Francisco's power is still in its lineup, with 3 guys hitting .290 or better (Posey, Flores, and Mauricio Dubon). A 14-7 June means they get to stay ahead of the Tigers by 8 games still,

July

NPB had both its All-Star Break, and one highlight of that was an American vs American showdown in the HR Derby, with Detroit's CJ Cron edging out Brandon Laird of the Chiba Lotte Marines 14-13 in front of his home crowd at Comerica Park (the game pre-empted morning shows across Japan!).
4-20. Not a weed joke, that was Hanshin's record in July. Fukudome cooled off in a big way, Fujinami returned to earth, Bour is still below the Mendoza line in spite of 18 HR, and Haruto Takahashi blew out his flexor tendon. Complete Mudville. The lone bright spot was their closer Suguru Iwazaki getting an All-Star nod.
An absolute shock at the July trade deadline - Tomoyuki Sugano was traded to the Dodgers for 2B Enrique Hernandez and SP Dustin May. Sugano's 4-9 record isn't impressive, but 3.45 ERA and 119 Ks in 128 IP is. And now he's joining a rotation of Walker Buehler, Clayton Kershaw, David Price, and Alex Wood (lard tunderin' Jayzus) to try and deliver a World Series for Los Angeles. Without him pitching for Yomiuri...the team's gotten better? 12-13 in July!
Jonathan Schoop had been a standout batter in NPB all season, and earned the Player of the Month award in July for a .338 batting average, 8 HR, and 18 RBI. That said, Detroit just hasn't been able to gain ground on the Giants. Their starting pitchiing has fallen behind San Francisco's too. A 11-6 month is decent, at least. (forgot to take a screencap)
Wait - did the Even Year BS make it to Japan? How else do you explain rookie Logan Webb going 8-3 with a 2.02 ERA in his first full season in a major league? San Francisco went 11-5, and maintained their 8.5 game lead over Detroit.

August

101 losses, and it's not even September 2. Hanshin's putrid year abroad continued with a 9-18 month in the Kansai heat. More foreigners are joining the squad - Mike Tauchmann on waivers from the Yankees, and Carson Fulmer on waivers from the White Sox. And the Tigers finish the month by hearing Yoshio Itoi's season is done after breaking his elbow.
And back down to earth go the Yomiuri Giants, 6-22 in August without their stud, eliminated from the postseason and 48 games back of Los Angeles. Dustin May was pressed into service as soon as he was acquired, and he's 2-4 with a 6.28 ERA so far. Wilmer Font also had his season end via elbow surgery. Woof. Bright spot is that Hayato Sakamoto and Edwin Rios are both tearing the cover off the ball.
(Sidebar: Tomoyuki Sugano signed an extension with the Dodgers - 5y95M. He's 5-1 since heading Stateside).
The Tokyo 2020 Olympics took up most of the month, so fewer games were played.
Meanwhile in San Francisco, the Giants have clinched a playoff spot in spite of going 5-8 coming back from the Oympics break. Buster Posey's in the running for the batting title, but the rest of the bats need to keep going to give this squad a title.
Schoop now leads the team in HR and RBIs, and is 0.001 back in batting from Niko Goodrum for the team lead there too. 7-6 isn't the best August record, but they did gain ground! They're 11 up on Yokohama, so a playoff spot is all but assured. And Casey Mize's 12 wins are generating Sawamura buzz.

September

Finally, something resembling normalcy - the Yomiuri Giants visiting Koshien to play the Hanshin Tigers. No need for a trans-Pacific plane ride to cheer on your squad! The Kyojin won two of three, with the Tigers' one win coming in extras.
The Hanshin Tigers matched the 2003 Detroit Tigers (hey!) with a 43-119 record thanks to a 7-18 September. Truly, truly, abysmal. Now their long march has ended, and they can turn tail and return back home next season without issues and a lot of their chaff (when did they get Trevor Rosenthal or Fernando Abad?).
The Yomiuri Giants lost 107 games and their best pitcher. A 7-16 September certainly continued that trend. At least they found their new first baseman, as Edwin Rios' 36 home runs and 108 RBIs pace the team. Maru and Sakamoto also break 20 HRs.
Michael Fulmer earned Pitcher of the Month honours with a 3-1 September, 37 Ks in 33 1/3 IP, and a .165 oppAVG. That helped pace Detroit to a 17-8 September, and get them within 4 games of the Giants with 5 still to play (SF has two games in hand). Losing star SP Matt Manning to a torn labrum may dampen their postseason hopes, though.
San Francisco righted the ship with a 14-10 September, and the starting rotation looks as strong as ever. Question is, how do you pare these six guys down to three or four for a playoff series?
(sidebar: The Dodgers went 110-52 to win the NL West, and the Toronto Blue Jays took the second wild-card spot at 96-66!)

October & November

The Tigers went a perfect 5-0 to finish their season, but came up just short at 93-50, while the Giants finished 95-48 after going 4-3 in October. San Francisco becomes the first American team to win the Central League pennant, and Buster Posey got his CL batting title in the end with a .299 BA.
The Detroit Tigers hosted the Yokohama DeNA BayStars in the CL Climax Series First Stage. Courtesy of strong outings from Casey Mize and Matt Boyd, and the offense waking up all at once, the Tigers cruised to a sweep by scores of 8-1 and 7-3. Schoop and Candelario (series MVP) each had two dingers in Game 2. Anyone wanna bet if Alex Ramirez loses his job now?
This sets up an American-style CL Climax Series Final Stage, with San Francisco hosting Detroit. The Giants walked off winners in Game 1, but the Tigers' pitching put up back to back shutouts in Games 2 and 3, the latter of those a grueling 14-inning affair only broken open by Jordy Mercer's 2-run triple. San Francisco fought back to take Game 4 courtesy of Logan Webb pitching a one-hit shutout (9 Ks too!). In the winner-take-all Game 5, Tigers pinch hitter Christin Stewart hit a go-ahead double in the top of the 7th to shock the Bay City crowd. Detroit's bullpen slammed the door the rest of the way, and the Tigers had punched their ticket to the Japan Series. Buster Posey took home series MVP honours in a valiant losing effort.
Detroit's opponent in the Japan Series? Only the most successful NPB team of the 2010s - the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks, who won another PL pennant and got past the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters in 4. Jingoism was running at an all-time high to preserve the honour of the Japan Series by making sure it stayed in Japanese hands. The Hawks and Tigers traded wins in Games 1 and 2, with the winning team hitting 3 HRs in each. The series shifted from the heated PayPay Dome to Comerica Park in November (brrr), but the Detroit bats stayed hot to take Games 3 and 4, still hitting three HRs in each. Home runs by Akira Nakamura and Kenta Imamiya put Game 5 away early for the Hawks, bringing the series back to Fukuoka. Yuki Yanagita clobbered a three-run shot himself in the 1st of Game 6 to take SoftBank to an early lead, but it didn't last long, as the Tigers put up 5 runs in the 7th and 9th (CJ Cron with two dingers) to take the game 14-4 and the Japan Series in 6 games. Austin Romine earned JS MVP honours for the effort.
Detroit rejoiced - it didn't matter if it was on the other side of the world, the Tigers had won a championship for the first time in almost four decades.
(sidebar: The Blue Jays won 7-4 over Oakland at the O.Co in the Wild Card game, but bowed out in the ALDS vs Houston in 4 games. Also lol the 90-72 Diamondbacks beat the Dodgers in 5 in the NLDS, with MadBum getting two of the three wins. World Series was Braves over Indians in 7 games.)

Offseason

Epilogue

A darkened room in Seattle. A clandestine Telegram call. On one end, Mariners GM Jerry DiPoto. The other....a 14-year-old hacker in Finland
"So they made the playoffs? BOTH of them? I see. I think we need to visit our owners a bit more often, then..."
TO BE CONTINUED
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[OC] Lost Leagues: History of the Professional Spring Football League (1992)

Competing football leagues in the offseason is all the rage right now. The Alliance of American Football started up this year, and promptly ended this year without even finishing its first season. And, the XFL is starting up again in 2020 (it’s almost impossible for the league to be as big of a failure as it was in 2001, when it flamed out in a blaze of glory).
Here’s the thing with other football leagues- I love getting my football fix at all times of the year. I was glued to my TV during AAF season, and watched practically every Orlando Apollos game. And when then XFL starts again in 2020, you can bet that I’ll be watching with a keen eye. There’s big names attached to the XFL, there’s financial backing, there’s a TV contract that is nothing short of impressive (half the games on network TV), and the rule changes look interesting.
But here’s the thing with other football leagues- 99 percent of them don’t work. In terms of outdoor professional football leagues in the United States, the only two outside of the NFL that worked were the AFL and the AAFC; they don’t exist anymore because they combined with the NFL. It’s extremely hard to get a pro football league up and running and give it any kind of success. There’s tons of leagues that have fallen by the wayside.
Case in point- the Professional Spring Football League.
Now seems like as good of a time as ever to revive the Lost Leagues series, where I take a look at failed professional football leagues. Some leagues, such as the United Football League post that kicked off the series two years ago, you may recognize. Others, like this one, you’ve probably never heard of. In fact, this league made such little of an impact that if you do a Google search for “Professional Spring Football League”, every link on the first page of results has absolutely nothing to do with the PSFL that I’m talking about.
With all of that said, let’s take a look at the incredibly short-lived existence of the Professional Spring Football League.
Part I: A Puzzling Formation
The league announced its existence on October 1, 1991, less than a year before the league was set to play in 1992. Already, you might be able to spot a major problem with this. There was already a pro football league in the spring in 1991, and that was the World League of American Football. That league had a lot of things that the PSFL would not wind up getting. For starters, it had the backing of the NFL. The league owners wanted to create a developmental football league in the spring that would also give the sport popularity overseas. The WLAF also had a television contract; not only were games shown on ABC and USA Network, but those networks actually paid the WLAF for the TV rights.
There were so many failed spring football leagues, and now, the PSFL was going to directly compete against a spring football league that actually had the backing of the NFL. Let’s put that in perspective. Professional hockey in Atlanta has not worked. The Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary in part because of low attendance, and the Atlanta Thrashers moved to Winnipeg in part because of low attendance. Imagine if the NHL decided, for whatever reason, to go back to Atlanta. Now imagine that after this announcement is made, a competing hockey league (and I use competing very loosely) announces that they’re going to be putting a team in Atlanta, and the season is going to run at the same time as the NHL. Why would that make any sense for the competing hockey league to do? Already, the league was behind.
But let’s take a look at that other pro league that was playing in the spring, and is still somewhat remembered to this day. The WLAF, in its inaugural season, averaged 25,361 fans per game. On its surface, that’s really good. However, if you take out the three European teams (London Monarchs, Frankfurt Galaxy, Barcelona Dragons) and the one Canadian team (Montreal Machine), you’re left with six American teams. Here’s the average attendance of those American teams:
Team Average Attendance
New York/New Jersey Knights 32,322
Birmingham Fire 25,442
Orlando Thunder 19,018
Sacramento Surge 17,994
San Antonio Riders 14,853
Raleigh-Durham Skyhawks 12,753
AVERAGE 20,397
Why do I bring this up? Let’s be very clear- an average attendance of 20,397 for a football league’s inaugural season is still extremely good… but only two of the six teams cleared 20,000. Remember that this was the league with the NFL’s backing and a relatively lucrative TV contract (it was in the eight figure range according to some reports). In the PSFL, a league with neither the league’s backing nor any TV contract to speak of, they needed each team to average 20,000 fans per game to stay afloat. Per the article:
[President] Vince Sette and the other league organizers figure each team will need to average just 20,000 fans per game to make this endeavor work. And they're not counting on television revenue to bail them out.
Each team needs to average just 20,000 fans per game? That’s all it’s going to take? A number that four out of six teams in the WLAF couldn’t reach? A number that, in the final season of the USFL, 8 out of the league’s 14 teams couldn’t reach? That seems like a fantastic business model that can’t possibly fail. You can probably already see some of the inevitable failures and red flags with this league just based off of the model.
But remember when I said that the PSFL did not have a TV contract? That doesn’t mean that they didn’t get some exposure on TV, in the form of an introduction video that aired on SportsChannel New York in 1991 (even though the league did not have any teams in New York). The video is… well, let’s just take a look at the video, because there’s a lot to dissect.
Part II: An Even More Puzzling Video
LINK TO THE VIDEO
I have no idea how I found this video, seeing as it has a grand total of 398 views on YouTube, two likes, and two comments. However, this is an absolute gold mine. This was a half-hour special aired on SportsChannel a few months prior to the launch of the league, and man, is it a weird video in all its early-90s cheese and glory. The first thing you’ll notice is that the commissioner of this league is Rex Lardner. About a quarter century later, he would try launching another pro football league in the spring. Considering the fact that the league has 195 likes on Facebook and the only video on the league’s website is literally five seconds long and is just a horribly-done Microsoft Word logo, I’m guessing that league is dead and that he learned nothing from the failures of this league.
After a shot of a logo that looks somewhat similar to the USFL logo, we get an introduction by a man who, literally less than one minute into the video, tries to stop skepticism of fans. In the first minute, they acknowledge that every other attempt has failed. That’s rather comforting. However, they explain why this league is different and won’t fail, and it’s because Vincent Sette (the founder and president of the league) said that he researched the other leagues. Checking in on what happened to Sette after the league’s demise, and it turns out that he’s doing great.
The founder of the league was also known Vincent Setteducate. There appear to have been no criminal charges filed in the aftermath of the PSFL. Five years later, he was charged by the SEC in a wire fraud case, and pleaded guilty, sentenced to five years probation and ordered to pay $300,000 in restitution in another business venture. He has had other brushes with the law as well.
And yes, according to this article, he goes by both names of Vincent Sette and Vincent Setteducate. Getting back to the video, after he promises that the league is going to work because he researched at the New York Public Library, you’ll also notice that Walt Michaels is the Director of Football Operations. I’ll give the league credit for that- Michaels is a recognizable name; in six seasons with the Jets and two seasons with the New Jersey Generals of the USFL, he’s made the playoffs four times, and only had a losing record twice. He even guided the Jets to the AFC Championship in the 1982 strike-shortened season. Unfortunately, that’s the only recognizable front office figure associated with this league. Not once in the video does it mention any coaches associated with the league. Considering the league was starting up in spring of 1992 (the first game seemed to be scheduled for February 29), and this TV special aired in late 1991, that seems like a major red flag. Again, just to reiterate- this league was announced on October 1, and the first game was to be played on February 29. People criticized the XFL the first time around for moving too quickly, but that was a year. This is less than five months. This is 151 days between announcement and the first game.
But how are the players in this league? Remember that the talent pool with any secondary football league is going to be somewhat worse; factor in the WLAF already existing in the spring, and the PSFL was playing third fiddle. They held three combines, with the one in the video taking place in Atlanta in October (less than a month after the creation of the league), and others taking place in December and January. Who were some of the players?
You know it’s a good sign when the first player that’s mentioned is Mickey Guidry. When the FIRST PLAYER YOU HIGHLIGHT is a man that threw 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in his four years at LSU from 1985-88 and a man who was so buried on the depth chart with the Sacramento Surge of the WLAF that he didn’t even throw a pass in 1991, that’s a horrible sign. Other quarterbacks in this league included Tony Rice (who threw 2 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in his final season at Notre Dame in 1989, completed 48.5% of his passes over his career, and was dreadful with the Barcelona Dragons in the WLAF in 1991 with one touchdown pass and three interceptions), Bobby McAllister (an atrocious QB in the WLAF in 1991 with Raleigh-Durham, throwing 7 touchdowns and 11 interceptions on 5.9 yards per attempt, a 46.7% completion percentage, and a passer rating of 54; Raleigh-Durham went winless), and Todd Hammel (a 12th round pick in 1990 who never played a snap, and then played in the WLAF with New York/New Jersey where he threw 2 touchdowns and 3 interceptions, had a passer rating of 53.7, completed just 45.5% of his passes, and averaged 5.8 yards per attempt). Remember- these were the guys they were highlighting, so this was their cream of the crop. Guys who were awful in the WLAF were, on paper, the best quarterbacks in this league.
As for the other offensive skill players, there were some recognizable names, even if they weren’t that good. Timmy Smith ran for a record-204 yards for Washington in Super Bowl XXII; he only had three regular season rushing touchdowns in his NFL career, and from 1989-91 (the three years before the PSFL’s scheduled inaugural season in 1992), had 6 rushing yards, but at least the name was recognizable. The second halfback mentioned is James Gray; while he was exceptional at Texas Tech, leading the Southwest Conference in 1989 with 1,509 rushing yards and 18 rushing touchdowns, he never played a down in the NFL after getting drafted by the Patriots in round five of the 1990 NFL Draft. Lydell Carr had a solid career with Oklahoma, but after getting drafted in the fourth round of the 1988 NFL Draft, did nothing in the NFL, never recording a single yard from scrimmage (in fairness, he did score eight touchdowns with the Barcelona Dragons in the 1991 season of the WLAF). And then, there was Lorenzo Hampton, who scored 28 touchdowns in his NFL career. Those were the four halfbacks highlighted; two of them never got a carry in the NFL. Quality-wise, that’s not good. Also, you may notice that half of this video is just the PSFL Combine and almost plays like a football instructional video; I’m not sure why this is.
Another major red flag with this video comes with the announcement of the teams. We’ll get to the teams later, but the map only shows nine cities, even though there’s supposed to be 10 teams in the league. That means that a new team would have to be announced and formed with roughly 70 days to go until the first game of the season. Good luck with that.
But how is this league going to be any different from the other leagues? After an interview with former BYU tight end Chris Smith that, no joke, starts off with the line, “I love children,” we find out how. For one, the players are going to do community service. There’s going to be autograph sessions. I’m failing to see how this is any different, but then we get two weird things. The first is that the games are going to be when the fans want. They’re scheduling for the fans. I have no idea what this even means. Does this mean that if the fans want them to play a game right now, that they’ll do it? The second is a cool idea but has no practicality whatsoever, and that is the universal ticket. Any fan who buys a season ticket to a PSFL team gets all of their team’s home games plus a universal ticket that can be used at any PSFL game. Good idea… but who’s flying halfway across the country to watch a PSFL game? Sette brings up the idea of staying at a hotel in Tampa for a PSFL game… who’s going to do that? It’s an interesting idea, but one that I’m sure nobody would actually use.
Some frequently asked questions about the league pop up next, and it’s always a good sign when one of the questions is whether or not a franchise can go under. The PSFL actually had a good idea with a single-entity structure; MLS has a similar system and it has worked well in ensuring the league’s survival. But here’s where it gets somewhat eyebrow-raising for me- each team has a salary cap of $2 million, and an average player salary of $45,000. Adjusting for inflation, today, the average player salary is around $82,000. That’s a pretty large amount for a minor football league. For some perspective, even the AAF’s average salary was less than that at $75,000 per season. And even though the AAF didn’t work, it had a TV contract and actual investors. This league was formed in the blink of an eye, had no TV revenue, had a business model that relied on a rather unattainable goal of 20,000 fans at every game, and yet, had a higher average salary per season when adjusted for inflation than the AAF.
After watching that video, it’s time to break down the actual markets chosen.
Part III: The Teams
The PSFL was pretty ambitious with their inaugural season, opting to have 10 teams play in the league. Four of the teams would be located in cities with NFL teams, with the other six teams being in unoccupied professional football markets. The New England Blitz seemed like an odd choice for a team. While the league stressed going into unoccupied markets, Boston already had a team in the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL, so this completely defeats the purpose. Additionally, the Boston Breakers were in the USFL in 1983, and drew the smallest average attendance in the league at 12,735 fans per game. Why Boston was chosen for a team, I’m not sure. The other baffling location was the Washington Marauders at RFK Stadium; the Washington Federals of the USFL bombed horribly (second-to-last in attendance in 1983 and 1984, including an average of just 7,694 fans per game in 1984), and there was competition in the area with the Bullets of the NBA and the Capitals of the NHL.
However, every other city makes sense. I’ll give the PSFL credit- they seemed like they had a good idea of where to go with their teams. Going to Tampa Bay with the Tampa Bay Outlaws made complete sense- in the USFL, the Bandits consistently ranked near the top of the league in average attendance, proving that spring football in Tampa Bay could work (if it’s done correctly, the XFL team playing in Tampa Bay in 2020 could have a strong following, though it’ll be tougher now that the city has an NHL team and an MLB team). Miami didn’t have the Marlins yet or the Florida Panthers (although Sunrise is an hour away from Miami), so there was little competition in the area for a spring football team to thrive. The other six locations were teams without NFL teams. The Arkansas Miners played in Little Rock (no pro sports teams), the Carolina Cougars played in Columbia (no pro sports teams), the Nevada Aces played in Las Vegas (no pro sports teams), the New Mexico Rattlesnakes played in Albuquerque (no pro sports teams), the Oregon Lightning Bolts played in Portland (only the Trail Blazers as competition), and the Utah Pioneers played in Salt Lake City (no pro sports teams). Yes, travel costs were going to be high, but the market selection seemed promising with a bunch of mid-sized markets who were starving for pro sports.
The logos, though? My, are some of them bad.
A lot of these logos would’ve been outdated very quickly. I have no idea what the New England Blitz logo is trying to be. The Carolina Cougars logo looks like the logo from Monster Energy (though the Carolina logo predates the Monster logo). Nevada’s logo is just the Alcorn State logo with cards coming off of it. And then there’s the Utah Pioneers helmet, which is the exact same thing as the Cleveland Browns helmet minus a logo on it. Why the Miami Tribe were named what they were, I’m not sure, seeing as the actual Miami Tribe is based in Oklahoma.
They were already thinking about expansion. As mentioned in this article, they were looking at expanding to 12 teams in the near future, putting teams in Fresno and Austin; both were large cities with no pro sports team.
So, we’ve got our teams. We’ve got our video promoting the league (even though we don’t have a television contract). And, we’ve got a schedule culminating with the Red, White & Blue Bowl at RFK Stadium on July 5. How does the first season of the league go?
Part IV: Collapse & Conclusion
Already, cracks were starting to show in 1992. Businessman Nick Bunick bought the Portland team a month before the season started, and immediately wanted to change the name to the Oregon Chargers. I’m sure the NFL would’ve been thrilled by that. They just hired a coach a month before the season started by taking former NFL quarterback Craig Morton.
February rolled around, and it was less than a month before the start. And when February rolled around, I’ll let Squidward explain why the league was struggling.
In what can only be described as a shocked Pikachu face for a lot of these other leagues, they had no money. It was February 12, just 17 days before kickoff between the Tampa Bay Outlaws and Utah Pioneers, and the league was in serious trouble. The Miami Tribe folded. The commissioner, Rex Lardner, said that they were considering shutting down the league. The Washington Marauders, who were a late addition to the league to begin with, threatened to cease operations by the end of the week if the league didn’t provide adequate financial arrangements. Remember those plans that said that the league needed each team to average at least 20,000 fans per game to survive? Less than three weeks before the season, and Washington had sold 100 season tickets. One hundred. I’m shocked that the team that was announced hastily in a market with lots of competition already and in a market where the USFL failed miserably could barely sell 100 season tickets.
And, as it turns out, nobody got any money. Washington wide receivers coach Brian Gardner said he was owed $5,000, and never got it, stating that “I have as much chance of getting that as I do of catching the clouds in my hands right now.” The league lied when they said that it had $50 million in the bank; only a small percentage of that was actually in the bank. The schedule, set to start on February 29, was in danger of getting pushed back two weeks. And the Marauders were running an awful operation:
The Marauders operation is tight. All the equipment is in Room 131 of the team's headquarters here, a Quality Inn. The shoulder pads are piled atop two beds; face bars sit on a table. Other pads and several jerseys are in the bathroom.
[Cornerback] Barry Wilburn kept his football shoes on after the morning practice today. That was because the tape he'd bought and used to anchor the shoes to his feet had run out. There was no tape for anyone. Until the season starts, players are responsible for their own football shoes. They pay their way to training camp -- and their way home if cut.
One week later, the league folded. On February 19, 1992, the PSFL shut down operations, and never played a single game. And thus, another professional football league collapsed. Considering the lack of name recognition or the lack of a TV deal, and considering the WLAF already happening in the spring of 1992 while this league was trying to get underway, I’m not sure many people noticed that this league died. But it goes to show you that trying to start a football league in five months is usually a bad idea.
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[Table] IAmA: I am Jay Onrait, AMA!

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Date: 2013-11-06
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If you could guest star in one TV show, what would it be? Wow great question... Parks and Rec. I would love to appear as a small town sportscaster.
Can you come back to Canada? :( Someday.
What made you want to call BOBROVSKY the way you do? Simply thought his name sounded like a cop Al Pacino would have played in a 70's William Friedken Movie.
Marry, bang, kill. Bob Mckenzie, Dan O Toole, James Duthie? Marry James. Kill Dan. Bang Bob.
What do you miss most about Tsn and Canada? The people. At both.
Jay, I'm a huge fan of yours, a medium sized fan of Dans, an am relatively indifferent towards Producer Tim. My question is: can you offer any words of hope to the long suffering Oilers fans such as myself? Not really. Unless Katz comes to his senses and fires everyone in the front office (but keeps Eakins)
What is your favorite moment as a sports anchor? Phil is a Jets fan is right up there.
How much hockey does the FS1 panel actually watch? Not much.
How much of your shows are scripted/teleprompted? How much is ad-libbed? Edit: I am the bad speller. About 50/50 adlibbed scripted.
What's your view on Rob Ford's crack fiasco? Do you think you will make any jokes about it on television? Also, how do you think the leafs are going to do this year? Already made a ton of jokes on TV today. Leafs will make playoffs get to second round and break hearts again.
When birds migrate south for the winter, why do they come back in the summer? Seems unnecessary. They are returning to their true home. THey only go south to survive. Just like me at Fox Sports 1.
You and Dan had a lot of repeated jokes and stuff on TSN. Did you guys feel like you had to adjust your style for Fox Sports One at all? For example, how do you think an American audience reacted to a Littlest Hobo reference I saw recently? We won't really change anything. We just have to explain who Littlest Hobo is... and then we will cram him down the throats of Americans at will.
Is Big City Ken actually Rob Ford? Does crack give you hiccups? That's an interesting theory. Would make a LOT of sense. Never tried crack.
Why did you leave Canada? :( I'll be back (money)
Hey Jay, how's the mo? Looking good! Going with the "selleck" this year.
Do you have an embarrassing tan line yet? Yes. Balls.
If you got in an anchor-off with Ron Burgundy, Tom Tucker and Kent Brockman, who would win, why, and how? Brockman is a cartoon he would die we would just erase him.
Jay, Canadian, Labbatts, or Moosehead? Moosehead for sure.
Did you ever, during your time in T.O, ever smoke crack with Rob Ford? Not even in a drunken stupor.
What do you enjoy most about the Palomino Club? Cougs.
Thanks for doing this Jay! What would you say is the biggest contrast between Fox Sports 1 and TSN? More money.
What would you say is the weirdest thing about Dan? And which one of us don't you like? He never wears sunscreen yet has a pale complexion.
Thanks for doing this AMA. What's your favorite moment so far being on fox sports 1? Meeting Mike Tyson and having him scare the living crap out of us then reveal in a press conference 5 days later that he is still drinking and not sober.
What is a funny memory you have from having grown up in a drug store? Dad kicked all my friends out after I invited them over to read comics for free.
Do you really masturbate as much as you said in your Jay and Dan podcast? I really do. Relaxes me. You should try it.
What have you done in one of your drunken stupors? All in my book. Puked A LOT.
Do you ever feel more restricted at Fox Sports 1 than you did at TSN? Or is it a more open and free environment? Maybe even MORE open.
Hey Jay! Big Fan... congrats on the marriage. Question: Biggest difference between living in the states vs living in Canada? Weather notwithstanding. Easy: Health Care is not for free.
Who has aged more gracefully, you or Dan? Dan for sure he has all his hair.
Does Darren Dutchyshen wear lipstick?? No.
Have you and Dan ever had any fights in your time of knowing each other? Literally not one. Pretty weird.
What do you think of Dion Phaneuf? 2nd year in league with Calgary thought he was amazing... not sure why his play dropped from that level. Baffling actually.
JAY! Huge fan. I love the fact that you brought your Canadian spirits to the US, it's incredibly refreshing! So what keeps your personality grounded? Also, you and Dan have been together for years now, how do you guys manage not getting tired of each other? We have simply fallen in love with each other. He is not a bad guy.
How has life in LA affected producer Tim? Assuming he's still alive of course. Massive coke habit.
How is Dan's moustache looking? Awful.
Why is Dan so short? Genetics.
Are there athletes at all that have good taste in music? Yes. Joffrey Lupul for one. Likes My Morning Jacket.
What are the odds we can get a Ian the PA vs. Ryan the PA cage-match fight to the death on the Podcst? Also, how does Engineer Jim's hair smell? Love this idea. I will implement it. Engineer Jim's hair smells really good actually.
Have you ever had a conversation with Don Cherry and did he call you a "good Canadian boy"? Never met the man!
What is your best James Duthie story? He never invites me over to his house.
When will Regis be on the podcist? Probably never but I think he secretly likes us.
Hi Jay! Are you going to be doing Olympics again this year? It makes so much better than it already is! Also is there any major changes in your style for when you and dan moved to fox? I don't get it up here :( Yes doing Olympics for FOX... no major style changes ... we will never change we are not smart enough.
Are you and Bobrovsky close friends? Never met him hope to this season.
What's your personal opinion on the role of fighting in hockey? Do you think that player safety should trump something that's historically been a part of the game for a long time, or do you believe players assume the risk when they decide to play the sport professionally? I think fighting should be in. Seriously believe it solves more problems than it causes.
What's your work schedule at FS1? Get to work at 5 write for 3 hours on air for 3 hours... in between i get make up from our super hot makeup artist Joanna whom you saw on the podcast... life is not terrible.
If you could be an egg-laying mammal, which one would it be? Fish (caviar)
Hey Jay. First off on the behalf of Canadian sports fans I would like to say we miss you like crazy and want you back. Now for my question, I had to deal with losing you and Alfie in the same year, it's been rough, what are your thoughts on Alfie leaving my beloved Senators to go to Detroit? I think it's a damn shame and made little sense. The guy should have been a sens lifer. They totally screwed that up. After all he did for the franchise just give him the money and be happy you had such a great person representing your team and town.
He always said he and his family would stay/retire in Ottawa. there was no reason for him to leave. It's pathetic.
Onrait! Love Fox Sports 1. Does it ever get to your head...this is it I made it to the big leagues? Not really. I was happy at TSN! Just great to challenge yourself and do different stuff. I am very lucky.
If you were to change one thing about your life story, what would it be? Would have gone on one of those Quebec exchanges in 11th grade and learned French and met a French girl and had sex with her. And learned french. Wish I had learned french.
Hey Jay, big canadian fan here from North Bay, ontario. 2 questions. Now that you and Dan are gone, whos on the case? What caused the decision to leave TSN? please dont say it was all about the money :( It was all about themoney.
What do you miss most about TSN? And Canada? Will we ever get to see producer Tim? Miss coffee crisps... you will never see Tim.
Hi Jay! I love your work, my question is what was the main reason for you moving to fox sports from TSN? New challenge 2. Money.
Favorite memory while covering hockey? Going to Olympic gold medal game at Vancouver 2010 and having better seats than William Shatner.
Do you like Hubba Bubba, or Double Bubble? Hubba Bubba.
Jay, in your opinion what's the best part of your job? PS: Did you know I'm a professional photographer? Best part of my job is that it never feels like ajob.
Will we ever get to take a dump in Dan's car? Also, I'm really excited to read Anchorboy, you (and Dan) are by far my favourite personalities on TV. And your podcast is amazing. Thank you it was really fun to write. Hope you enjoy it. I plan on taking a dump in dan's car right after this AMA.
What is the worst thing you have done in a drunken stupor? Puked all over my uncle's bathroom.
Jay, as a budding young sports broadcaster myself, I am a huge fan of yours. Now how do I stop saying "Mike, Boner's at the door!" or "Phil's a Jets fan!" to random people? You don't. Just go with it.
Hey Jay, thanks for doing the AMA, big fan! Any chance you are going to be stopping in the 'Peg on your tour? We do owe you a lot after you were single-handedly responsible for our team being renamed the Jets. Yes... I am planning to come to the Peg... hopefully early december... will keep you guys posted on my website.
ERRRSBERG?!?! Miss thatguy.
Damn it I'm 4 minutes late. Jay! Who's your favorite person to work with at Fox Sports One? Charissa is awesome.
If you weren't in broadcasting what would you be doing? Pharmacist.
How integral were you and Dan in the hiring process of Mr.Logue? Very. We are solely responsible.
What are your favourite memories working in Winnipeg? Loved doing "best of" shows with Jon Ljungberg.
Also, what Canadian thing did you have to explain the most to your Fox Sports co-workers? Toques.
What do you think of Saskatoon? Loved living there. Awesome town. I intro'd Toolsey to the toon and he loves it. Crazy Cactus rules.
What do you miss the most about living in Kensington Market (or Toronto in general)? How many darts does Producer Tim go through on an average day? Miss Ronnie's Local (69 Nassau) amazing bar great people. Tim is about a half a pack now.
I've purchased your book which has been a great read, that paragraph where you were in your parents bathroom destroying it in great detail (chapter 4 if I remember correctly) was a lovely thing to read aloud to my roommates. Thanks for buying my book... It's funny because Chapter 4 (pooping in front of my parents) ... was ALMOST cut out of the book... then Doug my editor convinced me to put it back. Thank God as it seems to be the most popular chapter.
What I wanted to ask was what would be your biggest piece of advice to a student who wants to get involved broadcasting, in particular sports? I know there has been many snippets of them throughout the book, but what would be of greatest importance? Another big piece of advice I would give anyone in this busines is that you should be willing to move anyway and EMBRACE that move. It will make you a better broadcaster (news or sports) if you actually live in more parts of this great country than the city you grew up in. And who knows you may actually enjoy it. Never thought I'd live in Saskatoon and I'm really glad I did.
Since you're a hockey fan that isn't a flyers fan? Do you hate the flyers? Personal thoughts on emery the other night? Don't hate anyone. No real thoughts on Emery.
Do you like the Bee Gees? Huge fan. Great songwriters.
Hey Jay, I used to watch you on Big Breakfast when you were on in Winnipeg. I just want to ask: What were your favourite parts of the city? Also, did you bring your Gino Reda moustache cup with you to LA? I'm currently drinking coffee out of mine. I lived in Osborne Village. I loved it. Loved Toad in the Hole. Wasabi sushi... I went back recently and really enjoyed Billabong It's an awesome city and I loved living there did not bring Gino mustache mug.
Who has worse traffic? LA OR TORONTO? TOronto.
Did Bob Mckenzie trade you to FSN? No.
Do Bob Mckenzie & Darren Dreger have a secret rivalry? They really like each other a lot.
Do you hate Glenn Healy as much as I do? No I like Glenn he makes me laugh.
Have you ever had a player get mad at you for a joke you've made? what happened? Yes.
In lieu of "T.V. Theme Vault" being axed from the new podcast - what are some ones you were saving but never got a chance to share? Always wanted to do Mr.Belvedere.
If you had to choose, who's hair would you rather have: Charissa Thompson's or Andy Roddick's? Love this question.. CHarissa's obviously... at least I'd look like a member of Hanson. Andy has almost as big a forehead as me.
What is the single biggest difference between working at TSN and working at FOX Sports 1? By the way, which NHL team does Phil Kessel cheer for? Biggest difference is we have way more people working on the show.
Do you guys feel a lot more pressure working for Fox compared to when you were at TSN? Also, do you have the same degree of liberty/creativity in what you can say/do on air? Never feel pressure can't do anything about ratings... how people react... just be yourself and have fun I say.
We have more creativity.
Hey Jay, bought the book can't wait to read it while I have my mid afternoon coffe and drop a deauce. Thanks for buying Anchorboy! We started off slow and gradually made the show our own. We kept trying to push it and to TSN's credit they knew where to draw the line. They used to always use the term "dial it back 10 percent"... in the end I think we found the perfect balance.
How did the you and Dan start doing your own take on sports center? Did it start with a few jokes and snowball into something bigger over time? Also what was the reaction of your bosses to you guys basically doing whatever you wanted? One thing I think people don't realize is that not that much of it is planned. To me the funniest stuff on SC and Fox SPorts Live is when we just ad-lib reactions to highlights. That's how "Kessel is a Jets fan" happened.
Plan to do any funny/friendly bets on Sochi with your American coworkers? Dan and I plan to hold hands and walk into Olympic Village in rainbow TSHIRTS.
JAY! What was the toughest thing to get used to on the new show and in the states? Having to pay for health care.
How's the move to the US been? Do you miss Canada? Was it all for the money? Pretty much.
Afternoon Jay! Who's the bigger diva, O'Toole or Duthie? O'Toole by far.
Have you found anything comparable to the Crazy Cactus in LA yet? Yes. "Chez Jay" actual bar in santa monica.
What is your favourite episode of the Littlest Hobo? The one where he saves the country of Canada.
Thanks for doing this, Jay. I'm a Broadcast Journalism student in Ontario and was just wondering what advice you would offer to someone who wants to make it into the Broadcast industry? Watch sports.
Jay. What would you give up first: ketchup chips or poutine? Could never ever give up poutine.
Hey Jay! What style of moustache will you go with this year? The Selleck.
Also, how are you adjusting to the American lifestyle? Adjusting well to the weather.
Whose idea was it to exclaim "WATCH IT... WATCH ITTT!!! for game promos? If it was yours, what in the world gave you that glorious idea?" Not sure. Just came to me one day. Totally organic.
What's the thing you enjoy most about working at FS1 and what do you miss most about TSN? Great people. And they buy us all the Yerba Mate we want.
Miss starting show with 20 mins of hockey highlights.
How is it like working at FS1 vs TSN, sport popularity wise? I know here in Canada TSN shows more hockey than MLB and NFL, do you notice a big difference in the states? Obviously we don't start the show at FS1 with 20 mins of hockey highlights (unfortunately) I am actually enjoying the college football and basketball though... I love all sports so it doesn't matter.
What was the process in your decision to go to work for Fox? Sportscentre is just not the same! Honestly we were totally happy at TSN..would never rule out coming back someday...
Just wanted a new challenge after 10 years... try something new... and the weather and money did not hurt.
Do you and Toolsy get along outside of work? Strangely yes.
Who is producer Tim? God damn it we MUST know. A real person. A person that will never be seen.
WHY IS YOUR BOOK OUT SO LATE IN THE US?! Order on AMAZON.CA STOP YELLING.
Did you ever end up going to the Canton Cafe Chinese joint in Charlottetown? Torrens recommended it after all... No did not make it. I stick to Richmond Hill (Golden Court)
What's something you wanted to do on the air at either TSN or Fox that was shot down by the powers that be? Great question. Nothing really too scandalous. I just got in trouble at FOX for saying Dave Dombrowski's kid looked like "Spalding" from Caddyshack when he was wearing that light blue blazer at the ALCS (he did)
Why did you leave TSN? Come back please... Someday.
What is your favorite kind of soup? Clam chowdah.
Love the show and Podcast, you and Dan have great chemistry, keep it up. Never Change. My question, why do you think Hockey is not even mentioned on other major sport networks? We are talking about it quite a bit on FSL! DOing our best.
What names are you guys thinking of to guest host the Fox podcast if any of you are away? No guest hosts.
Hi Jay, Just wanted to say I love the podcast that you and Dan do, Thursday is my favourite day of the week because of it. One question, are there any major differences in working in the American television industry compared to the Canadian television industry? Here's the difference.
In Canada our cameras were robotic. Actual robots.
In America we have this two guys who shows up before the show, asks us if we want water... then we never see them again.
Do you miss Timmies? Just the coffee... everything else has gone downhill.
Jay, Thanks for all the free funny on the podcast! 1) Will you guys ever bring back some sort of TV Show theme segment? Any time you guys were reviewing a video was gold and resulted in so many funny sound bytes. Any chance of something similar at Fox? We can't do tv theme anymore becuase of rights issues.
Were you in a Michelina's commercial? I wish!
If I get to your signing by 630 tonight will I still get in!? Wait for me Jay! WAIT FOR ME!!! Yes I'm sure you can get in... the Chapters/Indigo on the Queensway is pretty damn big.
Is Tim the Producer still as gross as ever? He's not really gross just angry.
Who are more scary: Kensington Hipsters or Venice Beach Hipsters? Venice Beach for sure. Kensington harmless. Venice has an edge.
Aspiring journalist/reporter here, currently in school. One piece of advice for me going forward? (or two, or three...) Watch sports.
Watch more sports.
Read sportswriters bloggers you like...
Jay, Huge fan. Your coverage for CTV during the Olympics routinely had me in stitches. Are you planning on being involved with the Olympic coverage at all? (Or does NBC have that wrapped up). Going to Sochi for FOX. Going to be an amazing time.
SC in the morning just isn't the same without you and Dan. Who is your favourite NHL player and why is it Bobrovsky? He is great. All time fave player: John Tonelli.
How would you describe your tsn replacement Darren Dutchyshen? He seems odd, but I can't pin down why. Huge pipes.
Are you working blue tonight? Pretty clean actually.
Why is your height listed on Wikipedia? No clue.
What would you rather fight, ten duck sized Rob Fords or one rob ford sized duck? One
Do you get paid more at Fox? Yes.
Wednesday. REDDIT. JAY ONRAIT! THE AMA WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! 12PM EASTERN! READ IT! RRREEEAAADDD IIITTT!!! That will cost you money.
Reveal to us the airplane story that couldn't be said on a podcast Masturbate on all flights over 6 hours.
Hey Jay, welcome to the team. i'm currently in PCR202 working on Champions League. you should come down and say hi to us! Oh and tell Pat Muldowney he needs to work on his mustache. Hi thanks! Big fan of PCR 202 ... Muldowney takes enough abuse let's let him be.
I am very upset you guys left canada, I cried. We still feel bad about it. But we may return someday.
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