As a long-time contributor to this sub, I know we love nothing more than discussing our degeneracy. If nothing else, hearing such stories makes you realise there are other people out there who have lived similar experiences to you. Stories of epic failure provide a sense of comfort. Stories of unexpected triumphs provide a feeling of hope. The following bets - and the circumstances surrounding each - were not necessarily story-worthy. However, there were a number of intricate details which I felt were worth highlighting. Aside from the statistical rollercoaster than one experiences throughout a game (i.e. going from "how can this lose?" to "this bet is over"), there are other factors which can have significant ramifications for one's betting endeavours. This is where the factor of timing comes into play. How often have you bet on something purely due to the fact that the game was starting shortly? It could either be a straight wager on the game. Or, you might have decided to add the short-priced "lock" to boost your odds. How often has this then come back to bite you? Or conversely, this random event - where your betting urge coincided with the scheduled timing of this event taking place - results in a recuperation of losses from previous games that you "studied" prior to placing your losing wagers? Without further ado, this is my story. It is but a speck in the ocean that is my entire betting career. But it was a Sunday night full of swings, sweats and... well I won't spoil the ending. As you read this, I want you to keep the headline in mind. Specifically, the wordstiming, luckanddegeneracy. It's early on a Sunday evening in Melbourne, Australia. Approximately 6PM to be exact. We are currently under the world's strictest COVID lockdown. We have an 8PM curfew, and I was keen to get in a 1 hour walk before returning home to make dinner. Now typically - as I had already walked my dog several hours earlier - I would not go for another on my own. But for some reason, I just had an urge to get some fresh air. Here is the first element in play: timing. At 6:10PM, an AFL (Australian Football) was scheduled to begin. As I begin my walk, I inevitably flick through my preferred bookmaker's iPhone app and this game catches my eye. Part of me says "don't bet it". The other part of me curb-stomps that voice in my head and says "don't be a pussy". Now on another note, I placed a daily deposit limit of $3000 on my account. To some, that is insanely big. I generally bet $1000 or so, and so this stops me from stupidly chasing the day's losses. Here is where another element peaks it's head: luck. I had deposited $1750 that day. Had I reached my limit, the following events would only have existed in a parallel universe. But as luck would have it, I had $1250 to play with. So I said 'fuck it' and made the deposit. It's about 6:05PM now and I don't have much time. I sift through the markets on offer and decide it's best to play a Same Game Multi (parlaying multiple events from the same game). With not much time left to make a decision, I quickly check the weather forecast in Gold Coast (where this game is taking place) and note that there is meant to be rain in the second half. (Spoiler: there was no rain in the second half). As this sport is played outdoors, this would favour the unders. So I come up with a bet that looks like this:
First quarter OVER 23.5
First half OVER 48.5
Full match UNDER 125.5
West Coast +34.5 handicap
Margin: either team by 1-39
Bontempelli 15+ disposals
Macrae 20+ disposals
ODDS: 4.10 A bet of $1250 would pay $5125. I was ready to place the bet. The problem? The match was only seconds from beginning. The time stamp on when the bet was accepted: 18:09:55 I made it by 5 measly seconds. Ok, so game begins rather uneventfully. Now it's worth noting for those who aren't familiar with AFL that you can score by 1's and 6's. It's late in the first quarter and the total is sitting at 22 points. Needing over 23.5, I'm in desperate need of a goal. The whole bet is about to come crashing down without it. With only seconds remaining a player marks the ball from a score-able position. The siren sounds. Now in AFL, if a mark is taken before the siren ("buzzer"), the player may take their kick. As luck would have it, this legend kicks it right through the middle of the goal posts, and the first quarter score ends on 28. We live on! Second quarter ends, and the combined total is 52 points. Again, we survive the over 48.5 by less than a full goal! (But this one cleared with a handful of minutes left to play, so there was no sweat involved). I'l wrap up the remainder of the game fairly quickly, as it is rather uneventful. The final score is 47-49, so the total under 125.5 hits easily, the +34.5 and margin 1-39 hit comfortably, and both players rack up well over their required disposals. Fantastic. My account hits $5125. By this stage, some would be satisfied. I wasn't. I was out for blood. The smart move would have been to withdraw, say, $4000. Play with the remaining $1125 (house money), and lock in a profit. But what's the fun in that? I scroll through the upcoming events and see that there is a Chinese Super League (soccer) match starting in a few hours. This isn't the first example of degeneracy in this story, but it's probably the biggest. So what do I do? Another Same Game Multi of course. And how much do I bet on it? $5125 of course. The bet:
Beijing Guoan: win or draw
Total corners: OVER 7.5
Total goals: OVER 1.5
BOTH teams to score in BOTH halves: No
ODDS: 1.95 A bet of $5125 would pay $9993.75 Here's where the rollercoaster of events begins. 5 minutes in, we have our first corner. 13 minutes in, we have our second. Corners are looking good. Fast forward to half time and Beijing are leading 2-0.
BOTH teams to score in BOTH halves: No = WINNER
Total goals: OVER 1.5 = WINNER
Beijing or draw = TBD, but looking good!
Corners OVER 7.5 = ONLY 2 FUCKING CORNERS IN THE FIRST HALF!
Remember, they had already accumulated 2 corners 13 minutes into the match. 32 minutes without a single corner! The live odds for over 7.5 were now over 3.00, and I was losing hope. The second half begins and approximately 10 minutes passes without a corner. I'm fucked. The next 15 minutes feels like God (aka Bob from NBA Daily Discussion) had blessed me. A flurry of corners results in an 8th corner before the 70th minute mark! What looked like a total sweat, turned into the easiest of victories. Or so I thought... The final leg: Beijing or draw - who by the way, were 1.50 favourites to win the match - were still up 2-0. One book had the opposing team at 81.00 odds to win from here. But you guys can guess what happened next. Wuhan goal! I'm still leading 2-1. My brain: "it's all good man, you still have a 1 goal buffer". Barely a few minutes later... Wuhan goal! It's now 2-2. My brain: "it's cool, you just need a draw, you're still likely to win this". Including the 6 minutes of added time, I have to sit through approximately 20 excruciating minutes of soccer, with just under $10k on the line. Luckily, Beijing did 75% of the attacking. Wuhan did have a few minor chances, but nothing that made the heart sink. The referee blew the full-time whistle, and I slowly unclenched my ass cheeks. I waited to see my account balance, just to make sure all was kosher. (You know, we've all been there, when we thought we bet on a certain team, but because their names are all Chinese, you actually bet on the wrong Beijing or something like that). My balance appeared at $9,993.75. It was time to call it a night. I reflected on the past 6 or so hours that I had just been through, and the 3 things that kept popping up in my mind again were timing, luck and degeneracy. P.S. Sorry to all the Djokovic and Heat backers. Brutal. Especially Djokovic. I'd say that's a once-in-a-career circumstance, but I think that would be understating how unlikely it is that the best player in the world get's DQ'd because he inadvertently hit a ball into an official's neck out of frustration.
FIRE and Kids – The cost of raising children in Australia
This post has been inspired by this recent podcast featuring three of the biggest names in the Aussie FIRE blogging community, and the follow on discussions in the Aussie Firebug Facebook group about how much it costs to raise kids in Australia. As all three acknowledge they don’t have kids so it’s not something they really have any experience with. As someone who has two young kids I thought it would be useful to write about it from my perspective. Obviously my situation isn’t the same as everyone else’s, there are plenty of people who would be horrified with how much we’ve spent, and others who would wonder how we manage to spend so little. Everyone’s situation is different, so what works for my family wouldn’t necessarily work or others. My oldest child has only just started school this year so I can’t really speak from experience beyond the 0-5yo age range, but I’ll talk through some of the typical costs, what we have and haven’t spent money on so far, and what we’re anticipating in the future. The costs people actually talk about The first two things that almost always come up when people start talking about the cost of babies are prams and carseats. Yes, you can spend a lot of money on these things if you want to, prams in particular. From a quick look at Baby Bunting the most expensive pram there is nearly 3 thousand dollars, and I’m betting that with a few accessories you can easily get over that mark. No, you do not need to spend that much on a pram. Yes you can probably pick one up on the cheap from Kmart or Target etc for well under a hundred bucks, but it’s probably not going to be as sturdy or hold much of the gear you take with you. Happily a pram is also the sort of thing where you can pretty easily and safely pick one up secondhand or get a hand me down from someone else. We bought a Babyzen Yoyo, which is basically a small sized pram although it still has enough storage room for us. It folds up so that you can take it on a plane as carry on luggage, is quite light, extremely maneuverable and very sturdy. I’ve taken it running plenty of times, it’s even got a Parkrun PB of 22:06! This thing is absolutely gold. Unfortunately it’s priced as though it’s made of it as well. There wasn’t an option to get one second hand because it had only just been released so we had to pay full whack. I think we spent over a thousand dollars on it including all the accessories and the lie flat and sit up seats etc. It was worth every cent. It’s been going for 5 years and 2 kids and is still in great shape, we’ve never had a problem with it at all. My wife tells me it is one of the best things I have ever bought her, although we both use it obviously. And at the end of the day a one off cost of $1,000 for us as a family is going to have basically zero impact on when we hit FIRE. Plugging the numbers into a compound interest calculator and using 7% annual return over 30 years I miss out on $8,000, which is about a month worth of returns on my target portfolio. I can live with delaying retirement one month for about 5 cumulative years of having a really good pram that works great for us. Similarly you can spend a fair chunk of money on car seats. This is one of those things that I wouldn’t want to get second hand because you can’t see if they’ve been broken or not and safety is a huge priority for us and presumably everyone else. Happily car seats don’t tend to cost that much, you can pick one up for a couple hundred bucks or less pretty easily. If you do that it tends to be one for a much shorter age range, say 0-2yrs whereas I think you can get ones which will take your kid from 0-8 but they cost a lot more. In any case per kid you’re probably looking at a thousand bucks total, and this could easily be a lot less. Again it’s not going to make any appreciable different to us reaching FIRE. So as easy as it is to point at this sort of stuff as being ridiculously expensive and over priced etc, it’s really not going to make much of a difference to most people. Sure you don’t want to spend any more money than you have to, but you also want to make sure you’re getting something that works for you. The other one off costs There are also a bunch of one off costs for babies and young kids like cots, beds, mattresses, baby carriers etc. From what I’ve been told you want to buy a baby mattress new, but that’s only about a hundred bucks at Target, potentially cheaper elsewhere. We have an Ikea cot which cost about the same, you could easily get one second hand or likely for free just by asking around your friends who will probably be delighted to get it out of their house. Some people do co-sleeping in which case you don’t need the cot and mattress although you may like to kid yourself that your baby will actually sleep in their own bed, maybe even through the night. It’s nice to pretend sometimes! As kids get older you’ll need a proper bed for them, again you can probably pick this up second hand pretty cheap and a mattress can be easily had for a couple hundred bucks. So none of these things are really going to have much of an impact so long as you’re a decent saver already. The big costs you see When you don’t have kids it can be great to live in a studio flat or one bedroom apartment in the inner city close to all the bars and restaurants and all the rest of it. You can stay in your local area and have plenty to keep you entertained, there is probably a supermarket nearby and plenty of public transport so you may not need a car either. Once you have kids, it’s likely going to be a different story as your priorities change. It may be that you’re happy renting with kids, but lots of people tend to prioritise stability and security when they have kids and that means owning your own home in most cases. I’m not saying everyone will want this, but a lot of people will. So now that you have kids you almost certainly want a second bedroom and if you’re planning on having more kids maybe a third or fourth etc. Obviously kids can share bedrooms for a while at least but sooner or later they will probably want their own space, as will you. You’ll also be wanting parks with playgrounds nearby and somewhere you can easily take your kids for a walk or kick a football around, ideally in a good school district which can add a couple hundred thousand dollars to the cost all by itself if you’re in Sydney or Melbourne. And if you want to live somewhere cheaper but send the kids to a good private school, well that can cost anywhere from the low thousands to multiple tens of thousands per year. Similarly if you didn’t have a car before, you will very likely want one now. I’ve mentioned before that we drive a base model Corolla which works just fine for us so far, but you’re still probably looking at $20k plus if you buy one new, mid teens if you want one used. If you want an SUV or a luxury model car, be prepared to fork out a lot more. In the same vein if you were previously going on lots of holidays and plan to keep doing so, well you now have at least one more plane ticket to buy, might need a bigger hotel room etc. As I talked about in this post about big ticket items, that all comes at a real cost. We bought land and built a house, so I can say that we spent roughly $100,000 more on that than we would have otherwise. The ongoing costs There are also a bunch of ongoing costs for kids as well. They need to be fed, they need clothes and shoes, they need medicine, and a bunch of other stuff that costs money. I wrote here about a bunch of things that we do to keep costs down, but the reality is that you still have to fork over a decent chunk of change. On top of all that contrary to what you might have been told public school is not free, there are a bunch of things that you have to chip in for here as well. We’re not at the stage that we’re forking out a fortune in extra utility bills etc but we certainly use the washing machine a lot more than we would if we didn’t have kids, there are extra lights and tvs etc on so there are extra costs there as well. There are also a bunch of extra items that you don’t really need to spend, but probably will. For us this includes stuff like swimming lessons, some sports like AusKick (AFL) and Junior Blasters (cricket), occasionally taking them to a theme park or zoo etc. They also get birthday and Christmas presents, and if they get invited to other kids parties they take a store bought gift with them. The above is about what I think our 5yo costs us at the moment based on our spending, our 2yo is probably about two thirds of that due mostly to her not eating as much and not getting swimming lessons yet, as well as not being in school or doing sports. I’ve left the holiday line blank because this is hugely variable. Last year we did a trip to the UK and it probably cost us about $3,000 extra between the two of them, next time it will be another couple thousand dollars more because the youngest one will need her own seat rather being on someone’s lap for the flights. So our spending for our eldest is about two thirds of the costs quoted in this article for a 6yo girl, I would assume that apart from a boy maybe eating a bit more the costs should be fairly similar. The main difference compared to our costs seem to be education and transport. Also, it was somewhat shocking to me just how expensive swimming lessons are! This is actually at our local council aquatic centre and is the cheapest in town. We do get to use the pool whenever we want, but that only tends to be once or twice a week at most. At least the lessons will hopefully only be for a few years for each child, although after that we may be forking out for something else instead. The hidden cost of kids The biggest cost is often actually one that doesn’t show up as an expense, the opportunity cost of one parent giving up paid employment entirely for a while or doing part time hours (I’ve used the phrase giving up paid employment here because looking after kids and a house is definitely work!). If we say that you’re giving up a full time paid job that’s at minimum wage of roughly $20 an hour for 40 hours a week, 48 weeks a year, then that’s $38,400 a year ($33,605 after tax and medicare levy) that the family is giving up for however long this goes on for. If you’d otherwise be earning more than that, then the opportunity cost each year is even higher. On top of that there is the hit to your career and future earnings, because those are definitely going to be impacted as well. If you’ve got two kids that are separated by two or three years and you as a family want a parent at home until they go to school, well that’s 7 or 8 years of missing out on that money which works out as around $250k based on a full time minimum wage job. I’m pretty hopeful that my wife would be earning more than minimum wage as well so for us it’s even more than that. On the plus side, she gets to spend more time with the kids although that probably feels like a mixed blessing some of the time! Alternatively if both parents want to keep working then there will likely be childcare costs for the first 4 or 5 years and then before and after school care, as well as missing out on spending time with their kids. Because we haven’t gone down this route I don’t know exactly how much it costs, I do hear plenty of stories about it being $100 a day minimum around where I live and it’s a lot more in capital cities. There are subsidies available for this, but you can pretty easily be spending tens of thousands each year on childcare while they’re young and then once they’re old enough before and after school care. You may be lucky enough to have grandparents or other family nearby that are happy to help out with this if they live nearby, but that won’t apply to everyone and it’s unlikely to reduce the cost entirely. The costs that are yet to come At the moment our kids are still young and fairly inexpensive. Between the two of them they tend to eat roughly what a grown adult eats, but from what I’ve been told that will change fairly dramatically as they get older. They’ll need new clothes more frequently, more shoes, potentially play more sports, go on more school excursions, you get the idea. Education could be another factor. There is a public high school that will be built in the next few years quite close by, and assuming that it’s decent our kids will likely be going there. But if it’s not, then we’ll have to look into private schools which can cost anywhere from a few thousand dollars to tens of thousands. There will be extra curricular stuff as well. Given my wife and I are both horrible at music it seems unlikely that our kids will be doing extra lessons there, but there are plenty of other areas like sport or extra educational activities that we’d be considering. I know a few parents who have kids who are in elite sports programs (as in regional or state teams) and the costs here can very quickly add up, likewise if extra education is needed or wanted then that’ll be an extra expense. Government and other assistance I know that depending on your circumstances that there can be government assistance in the form of Family Tax Benefit, childcare subsidy and possibly other programs as well. We don’t get any of these which is fine, we don’t need them and they are presumably meant to be for those who do. If you’re not sure if you should be getting any of these then Centrelink does have this payment finder. We did get the one day a week Kinder program for 3yos and 3 days a week Kinder program for 4yos, although these both also came with costs of roughly $1,500 a year so it actually cost us money, again this is fine, just a reminder that it isn’t actually free. Depending on your employer you may also be able to get parental leave for a while, and there is a minimum payment which they have to make so long as you’ve met some requirements. Some employers may also have some continuing support with subsidised childcare and the like. None of this was applicable to our situation but at least some of it will likely be available for others. So what’s the bottom line? For us the biggest actual one off cost so far has been the bigger house and land that we purchased because we wanted our kids to be able to have plenty of space inside and outside the house. That cost about a hundred thousand dollars more than we would have paid if it were just the two of us. All the other stuff like a pram, car seats, cots/beds, mattresses and all the rest of it have been maybe $5,000 total, which is tiny by comparison. The opportunity cost has been bigger than this though. When we had our first child when we were in Hong Kong my wife wasn’t working much anyway as there just weren’t that many jobs she could do and my wage easily supported both of us so she was doing some very casual part time work and so not doing that work afterwards didn’t impact us much. In Australia though she probably would have been earning at least $40,000 a year after tax, so we’ve foregone almost $200,000 on an after tax basis there. Which as I’m sure you can imagine has a pretty big impact on when we will hit FIRE, particularly given we’ve got another few years or her not being in paid employment at all and then likely only working part time after that. So I would guess we’ll be looking at forgone earnings of at least $500,000 by the time all is said and done, and it could quite easily be a lot more. The actual ongoing costs of the kids so far haven’t been too bad. Between the two of them it’s about $8,000 a year at the moment, although we would anticipate that this will go up a fair bit over time as they start eating more and getting into more extra curricular activities. I get that this is spending that isn’t a necessity, but do I really want my kids to miss out on a bunch of fun stuff so that I can retire a year or two earlier? No, no I do not. So far the total costs look something like this. You can see that by far the biggest cost has been the earnings that we’ve missed out on because my wife has been at home looking after the kids and doing the household stuff (yes I do some of it because I think it’s important that we share the jobs and to role model stuff for the kids, but the reality is that she is at home a lot more than I am and does more of it). Buying a bigger house and land is next, and the actual costs of feeding and clothing and all the other one off stuff for the kids is a tiny proportion of the actual cost. All up I’m hopeful that we can keep the ongoing costs to somewhere between $125k and $150k per child from birth through to age 18, although if private school is necessary then that will push up the costs a fair bit. This is less than half of what this article suggests, so although it sounds like a lot of money it’s actually fairly frugal by comparison. To put it in perspective, it’s basically spending about 7 or 8 grand a year on each child. There are plenty of people out there who spend more than that on food alone, let alone the rest of their living expenses. As I said earlier travel costs are on top of this, and this can increase the costs quite a lot! Travel is a huge part of the reason we’re pursuing HIFIRE, and we want to be taking the kids on plenty of holidays while they’re growing up. That’s obviously discretionary spending to a large extent, but we do have close family living overseas who we want to see every couple of years or so, and it’s not fair to expect them to always be the ones travelling. I would guess that we’ll be looking at about $50k per kid in travel costs by the time they turn 18. That’s about 3 grand a year, which doesn’t sound wrong based on the cost of international travel. It may be less than that which would be great, but could also be a fair bit more. So all up for the two kids we’re looking at about a million dollars from birth to age 18. About half of that is the foregone wages from not working, which is by far the biggest impact. The actual cost of the kids is about another 30%, then travel is 10%, another 10% for the bigger house and land. And then right at the end is less than 1% for the one off stuff like prams and baby seats and cots etc. How could we spend less? Obviously there are other things we could be doing instead to keep the cost down. The biggest expense is the wages that aren’t being earned because my wife is looking after the kids and the household stuff. We could have chosen to have her work and instead pay for childcare and after school care etc. If we did though then she wouldn’t get to spend as much time with the kids (which she tells would be welcome some of the time!) and there would be a lot more house work and shopping that would need to be done after work or on weekends for both of us, we’d potentially eat out more often as it’d be more of a hassle cooking meals each night, as well as a bunch of other tradeoffs. So having her stay at home was our preferred method, and thankfully we’re in the financial position where we can afford to do it that way. Other people make different choices, or they’re unfortunately not in a position to make a choice, they need both partners working or if they’re a single parent have to do it this way. We could have also gone with a smaller house and less of a backyard. I shared a bedroom with my brother for part of our childhood and we both managed fine. It’s not ideal, but it’s certainly doable, and we could have saved a lot of money by having a smaller house. Again we chose not to because we wanted a bigger house and a decent sized backyard for them to be able to run around in and we can afford it. We don’t have to travel, although it’d be a bit rough expecting family to travel overseas to see us every year or two and then not reciprocating. Still, that would save a fair amount of money. It’s pretty hard to say how things will work out with the actual costs of raising the kids. I know roughly what we’ve spent so far, but it’s pretty difficult to know what we’ll be spending in future as they get older. They’re likely to be eating a fair bit more food, s they grow they’ll need new clothes and shoes, they’ll presumably be playing sport and doing other extra curricular stuff which will all cost money. $150k per kid from 0 to 18 seems like it’s a lot less than what it costs most people, but then we already live a fair bit more cheaply than most others so maybe it’s about right. At the end of the day we’re happy with the choices that we’ve made so far, but there has certainly been some room to have spent less money than what we have, or to have had more money coming in through both of us being in paid employment. Obviously it has an impact on when we will hit our FIRE number, but I’d rather take a little bit longer to get there than to make different tradeoffs along the way. Have you got kids or are thinking about having them? How do you think it will impact on your FIRE journey? Original post with pretty charts, pictures, tables etc is here.
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CMV: Males are genetically predisposed to gambling
Gambling or betting on things seems to be an extremely male-dominated behaviour, especially here in Australia (and we spend the most on gambling per capita worldwide). On a subjective level, almost every one of my male friends and colleagues gambles daily, and social conversations amongst friends often tend to steer towards what's going on in the horses/greyhounds/NRL betting/AFL betting/under-12 disabled Ukrainian volleyball if that's all that's left. Blokes will make bets with each other over things like the coin flip before a game, the exact time of kick off and if a racecaller will say a catchphrase during a race. I believe that part of the reason is that betting advertising has become part of our daily life here. TV ads, radio, print media, social media; literally everywhere you look. They've even managed to seamlessly entwine betting watching sport - every ad break or pre-game show there is a representative from one of the bookmakers showing live odds, tips and gambling strategy. They have TV pop-up ads showing live odds. They even have banner advertising that is cookie-generated so you literally can't escape being marketed to if you're online at all and have looked up a sports result that day. In recent years, gambling ads are now primarily for racing and sports betting rather than, as in the past, for lotteries. On the flip side, none of my female friends or colleagues have any interest in gambling. Quite a few follow sport here but never put any bets on or talk about gambling. Is this because sportsbetting marketing is extremely targeted towards the male demographic? Here in Australia we also spend the most on gambling advertising over all other countries in the world. Our major bookies (Sportsbet, Ladbrokes, Neds, BetEasy) have incredibly male-oriented advertising with TV ads that specifically target men from 18 to 40 - this is obviously their bread and butter market but why? Sports betting advertising often features men standing together, drinking and watching a sporting match. Have a look at some examples of this targeted advertising all showing the single male demographic. Is this due to the fact that sports in general are more popular with men, and this is the reason for the propensity to sports bet? I think men are genetically predisposed to gambling or betting. From an evolutionary point of view, men have been more likely to be competitive with each other in providing for their family/tribe and having the ability to fight for alpha male status. END NOTE: I am not referring to casino gambling. For some reason Casino gambling is a lot more gender equal.
AFL asks Sportsbet to curb ad controversy as season restart looms
The AFL has demanded assurances from one its biggest sponsors that they will curtail some of their controversial advertising ahead of the code’s return to the field next week. Sources have confirmed with The Australian that the AFL wrote to wagering market leader Sportsbet this week about their sponsorship deal, worth about $8m annually and one the betting giant is set to assume after its recent merger with BetEasy. Sportsbet’s irreverent advertising and branding campaigns have long attracted the attention of punters, making it an essential part of the company’s rise to becoming entrenched as the biggest digital or corporate bookmaker in Australia. But some of the advertisements, including those featuring former NRL Todd Carney and a parody of Prince Harry, have also attracted criticism and controversy in the wider community. The AFL is understood to have raised concerns about these types of advertisements being featured during coverage of the sport or in digital form connected to AFL betting offerings or any other advertising. Sportsbet executives would not comment but are understood to have been extremely keen to not fall out of favour quickly with the AFL, and scrambled to put together a presentation for AFL executives to try to allay their fears of being associated with a sometimes controversial brand. There are potential doubts about the long-term future of the partnership, however. In a statement, an AFL spokesman said: “We have strong relationships with all our corporate partners and work closely with them to ensure that we are aligned and we look forward to working with Sportsbet as they move to transition the BetEasy brand.” The AFL had renewed its wagering partner deal with BetEasy at the beginning of this year after first striking a surprise five-season deal with the then upstart brand worth more than $40m in 2015. Then and earlier this year, BetEasy beat out its then rival Sportsbet for what is considered one of the most important sports betting deals in the country. While both wagering companies were close in dollar terms, it is understood the AFL was more comfortable with BetEasy’s more conservative advertising campaigns and having its branding associated with the sport. The BetEasy brand is now being subsumed by Sportsbet after each brand’s global parent companies, The Stars Group and Flutter Entertainment, finalised a $US12bn merger in early May. While the AFL had inserted some break provisions in its contract with BetEasy in case of a change of ownership, the league has realised it is unlikely to be able to strike a deal with any rival brands with the season restart around the corner and a tough economic climate in general for the business sector. Therefore next Thursday night’s clash between Collingwood and Richmond will prominently feature Sportsbet footage on stadium signage and it is likely the wagering giant will also buy significant advertising slots for television coverage. The AFL is also battling doubts over another big sponsorship deal it has with airline Virgin Australia, which has been in the hands of administrators Deloitte since April after entering voluntary administration because most travel has being shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Virgin’s deal with the AFL is worth up to $10m annually and involves it usually flying players, umpires, coaches and officials around the country to matches. Sportsbet is the market leader in the $4bn Australian online betting industry with a share of about 25 per cent, while BetEasy has about 14 per cent. Globally, Australia accounts for about 15 per cent of the merged Flutter-Stars business. The pair had combined earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation of $300m in Australia last year. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/afl-asks-sportsbet-to-curb-ad-controversy-as-season-restart-looms/news-story/d7b10911600adeaf133de4038d9fff64
Gambling or betting on things seems to be an extremely male-dominated behaviour, especially here in Australia (and we spend the most on gambling per capita worldwide). From a subjective level, almost every one of my male friends and colleagues gambles daily, and social conversations amongst friends often tend to steer towards what's going on in the horses/greyhounds/NRL betting/AFL betting/under-12 disabled Ukrainian volleyball if that's all that's left. Blokes will make bets with each other over things like the coin flip before a game, the exact time of kick off and if a racecaller will say a catchphrase during a race. I believe that part of the reason is that betting advertising has become part of our daily life here. TV ads, radio, print media, social media; literally everywhere you look. They've even managed to seamlessly entwine betting watching sport - every ad break or pre-game show there is a representative from one of the bookmakers showing live odds, tips and gambling strategy. They have TV pop-up ads showing live odds. They even have banner advertising that is cookie-generated so you literally can't escape being marketed to if you're online at all and have looked up a sports result that day. In recent years, gambling ads are now primarily for racing and sports betting rather than, as in the past, for lotteries. On the flip side, none of my female friends or colleagues have any interest in gambling. Quite a few follow sport here but never put any bets on or talk about gambling. Is this because sportsbetting marketing is extremely targeted towards the male demographic? Here in Australia we also spend the most on gambling advertising over all other countries in the world. Our major bookies (Sportsbet, Ladbrokes, Neds, BetEasy) have incredibly male-oriented advertising with TV ads that specifically target men from 18 to 40 - this is obviously their bread and butter market but why? Sports betting advertising often features men standing together, drinking and watching a sporting match. Have a look at some examples of this targeted advertising all showing the single male demographic. Is this due to the fact that sports in general are more popular with men, and this is the reason for the propensity to sports bet? What's going on here? Are men just genetically predisposed to being competitive? END NOTE: I am not referring to casino gambling. For some reason Casino gambling is a lot more gender equal.
A part of my story, can’t wait to use this tool to save my life. Gambling sucks
Hey, I’m Craig Rowe (Rowey) . I have been gambling since I was 16. I am currently 8 days without betting on what has to be and will be last time I quit. I’m just an average guy in Melbourne Australia. I went to a good school, play and followed sport, have plenty of friends, never had troubles working and come form a good family. I am married with two young kids. Unfortunately throughout all that I’ve been an gambling addict. Sometimes knowing it and sometimes deluding myself I was just unlucky and like to gamble heaps. A very large percentage of my friends would gamble, school friends included. We would go to the races from 16 years old, which was great fun. Races became a huge passion and I saw it as a sport. The sport was ruined by me however and my gambling. I’ve tried to not gamble and follow it but it always gets me eventually. So now I will be parting ways for good. Sport another big love of mine has also been ruined. I barrack for Carlton In the afl, which has prob added to my losing, sucking for the last 20 years! Over the time from 16 years old to now, I’m 38 next week, I have quit gambling either on my own will or by a big event causing me too. My latest break was 18months. This was on the back of my wife really wanting me to stop. We had just had our first kid and i had proven again I couldn’t just gamble in small doses, it was getting away from me. So I went cold turkey. I did not use any resources to stop, I relied on willpower. Which as I’ve heard on Jamie’s podcast it only lasts for so long. I would replenish it by telling people how many days I had gone. I shared this with one mate in particular, My best mate Marcus. We were best man at each other’s weddings. Anyway about 6 months in to not gambling Marcus got diagnosed with cancer and died 12 months later (36yrs old) During his chemo and trying to stay alive he loved talking to me each week about how many days I was up to. He kept me in check. You can probably see where this is going. So after the worst 12M of my life Marcus passed away. I gambled the very next day. Now, I don’t blame that, I’ve always as I can see now, been an addict. I think part of me used it as an excuse and part of me used gambling to get away from the hurt. I won 1200 on my first session back, a 100-1 Horse won. I had $10 on it and convinced myself it was Marcus giving me a winner! Ahhh the delusions. Anyway that was the worst thing that could happen. I ran that 1000 to 4000 over next few months on nba and cricket. Before losing it all drunkenly on greyhounds and harness racing one drunken night. This began my spiral. Not to mention I was hiding the whole thing from my wife and friends. I wanted to come clean to her so many times and almost did but got turned off thinking again I saw a sign to keep going. Getting further and further in debt I started taking pay day loans, Huge interest loans just for the 300-400 fix. Such was my past and financial state my wife controlled our money and my pay, except for $400 which I would get from her a month to spend on what I liked (except gambling) This plan was devised years ago when I used to gamble half my pay check. So she took over to stop this happening. The pay day loans added up and suck you in as much as the corporate bookmakers. I was in a vicious cycle. I had the thought we all do. Okay I’ll just get even and then quit. Great news in Jan. I got even. Yes I had been lying to my wife and friends for a year but I was even. I could stop and no one would know! Yes go me. Now clearly I didn’t stop and lost it all plus another 5k. There are many reasons I didn’t stop and tell my wife when i was even. (Lol even) but I don’t want to lie to you guys on our first meeting haha. Oh god. Anyway two weeks ago I did something I had never done and took cash advances on our joint credit card from the atm. My wife thinking I wasn’t gambling had no idea what they were and being super busy at work just brushed over them. I knew what they were tho, it was so brazen. I couldn’t not be caught I thought when I did it. I did it as a cry for help pretty much as I wanted it all to end. As I did the last advance I even messaged my wife and said “we need to talk” as I took the money out. I used the Money in a betting account minutes later and bet kamikaze. It was like I was going down with the ship, I felt numb and it was very out of body. Bloody dramatic I know. I got home thinking she knew, She didn’t. I wanted to come clean, I wanted it over and I eventually told her everything. I will exclude the full details to save some of her privacy but it has been made clear she will stay with me but if it ever happens again she will be leaving with the kids. This has been the most confronting week of my life with the realisation my wife and kids are on the table. I found the podcast after gambling by Jamie Salsburg. My head hurts from nodding to it so much. It has helped me so much. I even listened to an episode tonight with my wife. If you have a gambling addiction please listen to it, especially if like me you have just come clean and feel alone and scared. The comfort it has provided has made we want to share my story and also use every tool out there to save my marriage and my kids and myself. I’m not a bad guy, I’d say most on here aren’t, we have the right to a good life. I’m day 8 clean, I have a zillion other stories and I look forward to hearing your story. Rowey
2020 has been the worst year of my life and i'm to blame for it all!
To start off 2020 I find out the 1 night stand I had back in November gave me a life long gift of HSV1&HSV2 along with Chlamydia which is gone now. This put me in a really suicidal and depressed state until I found support groups, which helped me get back to myself in as quick as a week. Then Australia has very terrible bush fires which is a very scary situation as a lot of our Country was burning and we couldn't get in control of it for ages! Finally after this ends Covid 19 hits. Corona virus has made things very tough. During this time my old high school best friend committed suicide. The worst part about this is I saw him reaching out for help on his social media platforms and was going to message him and catch up but I never did, he was on hard drugs (Meth) and I had been somewhat scared to see him because I had heard he had been aggressive to other friends but he was always the same caring and funny person to me. He always had my back and it really hurts me I didn't reach out when he would have for me! My family is really fucked up, my sister and mum fight 24/7 and it's a real screaming match as to who can yell louder. I know my sister and mum have serious mental illness problems and I myself probably do as well. My sister calls my mum names like 'Fat F*ck' and 'B***h' all the time. She told me recently that Mum would hit her as a kid over little things like not wearing the right clothes but I didn't know how to react. In a sense I couldn't believe it but I could. Being stuck with my family in isolation is terrible I just lock myself up in my room and gamble to escape reality. Anyway I also had a gambling issue where I lost $3,000. Long story short I got roped back into it and lost $37,000. Mum gave me my life savings as a kid recently which was $17,000 before my 22nd birthday and I lost it all. I went to break even or lose and I lost. The worst part is the bet I had on it lost by 1 goal in AFL on the siren and was a crazy goal by a player called Robby Gray. I knew he was going to kick it and I dropped to my knees when he was lining up for a shot on goal with my heart thumping. I sold around $5000 in assets to gamble and lost them all as well. During each of these times I've thought of suicide and had very depressed thoughts, I just think about the effects on my friends and family and push through. TL;DR: In 2020 I have found out I have herpes which is a disease for life, been affected by Australian Bush-fires, Covid-19 has ruined my life and I lost one of my best mates from High School to suicide. I have pretty bad anxiety and gambled away my life savings around $37,000. I needed to get this off my chest and am trying to better myself but am in a pretty dark place at the moment.
Sorry for the long post and I’m not sure if this sub is this best place for it, but it’s something I need to get off my chest. Betting on sport is getting more and more common in my circles and it’s starting to get a bit scary. I’m not a stranger to it, and for a good 6 months a few years back it had a pretty good hold on me, fortunately I had a moment of clarity. I was doing it every week because I had built up myself a decent kitty and I saw it as playing with “virtual money” and it was making even the most dull games of the round interesting. NHL, NBA and MLB have like 10 games a day, shit yeah that’s so many potential multis! Hell, it was even allowing me to watch NRL which I’d never taken an interest in. It wasn’t until I came to the realisation that it’s not virtual money it’s real money! And realised, hey that’s 400 bucks in there and I can just withdraw it. I ultimately stopped though because I realised it was ruining one of my favourite past times, watching sport. My best friend on the other hand, who I’ve discussed afl with every week since we were collecting and swapping footy cards back in grade 2 is so hooked on betting he doesn’t realise it. Like I had, he put a deposit down once upon a time and is just playing with his built up winnings, and to be fair he’s doing pretty well for himself considering the odds are in the houses favour. But from my point of view it’s scary to just see the typical red flags of gambling addiction. It’s now rare for him to not have money on a game, as it used to be rare for him to have money on a game. It’s not 10 dollar bets, it’s 100 dollar bets. What you used to be a multi for laughs because it was ridiculous are now serious and he can’t believe how often he loses because “if only one of the legs didn’t fall it would of been given a huge cash out option”. I’ve had a few small chats with how I think it’s crazy he’s always got around 50 on most matches but to him there’s no problem because he’s not losing any money, it’s play money! My fear is what happens if he puts a huge bet on, and loses the kitty. There’s no way he will stop there. Another example of how it spoils your entertainment, not enhances it, last night we were hanging out while cats and tigers were on, at quarter time he goes “cmon cats get it together”. I was like wtf since when do you want Geelong to win. (He’s always hated Geelong, sorry cats fans). And he’s like I’ve got some cash on a multi and they’re the first leg. It’s so weird to see someone cheer on a team they’ve loathed their whole life because now they put some money on them because they are “easy money”. It’s prevalent in my workplace too. So many of the young apprentices coming through straight out of school and getting their first bit of proper income in their life and they are almost budgeting to gamble on sport. The amount of advertising and the insane amount of different companies with flashy addictive apps out there, I can’t really blame these young blokes and gals. Honestly it’s heart breaking to see my friends obsessed with odds and multis, and no longer watching games with their love or hatred for team pouring out of them, but rather a tense few hours and hoping their bets pay off. It probably sounds like I’m announcing a pandemic is happening, it’s not the case. It’s just a strong notable shift towards pro betting on AFL, I thought for awhile it was just because I was getting older, but it’s not, and no secret Australia is plagued with betting adds. If you’ve got a kitty of “virtual money” in your betting account, why not withdraw some of it today, take your partner out to lunch, spoil your kids, buy your parents a random gift for no reason, buy yourself something you’ve had you’re eye on but can’t justify the purchase, or start that savings account you’ve not been able to commit to. And watch today’s games with clear eyes and barrack for the team your heart wants to win, not your betting account.
Hey sportsbetting fans! I know some of you are a bit bored with no sports to watch. But I’m here to let you know Australia’s main sport the AFL (Australian Football League) is still running and there’s so many markets to bet on! Games are being run with no crowds. I think you can bet on it with pointsbet, Ladbrokes and Bet365? You’ll have to check. The first round only started this weekend! So pick a team and enjoy. https://www.afl.com.au/ EDIT - LOL jokes the season just got suspended as of tonight.
[S] Swoldow's Survivor: Barbados - Fans vs Favorites III
Bringing back one of the best themes for one last spin, we yet again have 10 fans of the show, facing off against 10 of their favorite players ever, suggested by you the viewer. Will the faves steamroll the fans again, or will a fan rise up and win their first time? Find out below! MEET THE CAST: Fanatik Tribe:
Jace has been poor for the majority of his life, and his eccentric personality alienated himself from his own family. When he moved out, he tried to become a pilot, but poor math skills prevented him from doing that. He then settled for being an Uber driver, believing it to be the closest thing to a pilot he could manage.
Kyle wants to handle Survivor just like a poker game. He was taught as a kid that it’s always better to listen rather than talk and that’s why he became successful at poker. He's going to use other's information against them and play a subtle, yet cutthroat game.
Lucas Trowell, 38, Retired AFL Player (u/SilverOwl24)
Originally, Lucas was born and raised in Australia. After college, he was drafted to compete in the Australian football league where he played in for over 10 years. After those years, he married his wife in America where they settled down and now have a son. He’s looking forward to show these people how an Aussie plays Survivor.
Mac was legally born Monica Shifflett, but when he was in his teens, he realised he should have been born a boy. For about half a decade he had surgery and hormone blockers, and he now calls himself a man. He has been happier of his operation as it led him to finding his wife, having a child, and making lots of friends. He is here to win the money for his family, and spread awareness for trans people. He is hoping to win immunities and pull of big moves, as he wants to be the first fan to win this show.
After his reviews of some of the earlier Survivor seasons became popular on the Internet, Max became a well-known reality TV critic and later branched out into reviews of all kinds of television shows. But Survivor has always been his main love, and now he wants to see how he'd do at the game.
Monique is a bold, strong, and very opinionated woman. She comes off usually one way or the other - there's usually not in an in-between with her. She can definitely be a little intense on occasion, but she also knows how to use her charm to her advantage. In Monique's free time, Survivor has been her favorite show to watch. She loves the competition and strategy and, hell, she loves the blindsides most of all. Coming into the game, she will be an extremely aggressive gameplayer, not holding anything back. It remains to be seen how well it will serve her in the game.
Olivia has always been complemented on her smarts, and loves that about herself. She sees herself as a goddess and is completely self-absorbed, but she has a way to manipulate people through her rash commentary. She also has a more caring side when she’s with animals, making her more human.
Tianna tries to live life to the fullest. Getting into dangerous situations and messy relationships hasn't deterred her from being spontaneous and ready for anything. Her easy adaptability she picked up from her time in New York will be her biggest asset.
A superfan of the show, Tortia wants to use her likable personality to carry her through the game, though her naivety might be her downfall. She hopes her strategic and social game can integrate her among both the fans, and the favorites.
Growing up Zoey would always be focused on her goals, and how to achieve them. Studying astrology really helps her in her daily life she can read others body language and she is quick to notice a lot of things. She thinks that her nice personality can help her have a really good mental game and she is ready to succeed in her survivor journey.
Renmen Tribe:
Bailey Thayer, from Worlds Apart (Placement: 2nd)
Most Known For: Being one of the founders of the daredevils alliance, who made a variety of subtle and under-the-radar moves, and won her way to the end in a firemaking challenge, but lost to Kennedi due to having more friends on the jury.
Crystal 'Cris' Brooke, from Egypt (Placement: 11th)
Most Known For: Starting on the bottom of her tribe without an alliance, and losing her one and only friend very early on, but getting swapped into a position where she could flip on her, and she took the option, flipping on Double D and Tarra, but being blindsided due to her unpredictability.
Demi Bourbon, from Koah Rong (Placement: 5th)
Most Known For: Starting off in the best possible spot on her tribe, with a loyal alliance, and a showmance, and being in control of the majority of the votes during the merge, and having a huge possibility of winning the whole game, until Jack unfortunately idoled her out.
Elden Ulrich, from Maui (Placement: 5th)
Most Known For: Being an underdog who lost both of his starting allies during the pre-merge, and first merge tribal respectively, forcing him to have to successfully integrate into people he voted against, and making it all the way to the final five with a numbers advantage over Fawn and JamiRose, but ultimately getting taken out by JamiRose's idol play.
Giuseppe 'Seppe' Milano, from Worlds Apart (Placement: 5th)
Most Known For: Starting the game as a swing vote, who managed to integrate himself into a new majority after Jay blindsided his own allies, and being one of the two white collars who made the merge, making it to the top five after negating a unanimous idol play that spawned from losing her ally to rocks.
Jack Wolfe, from Koah Rong (Placement: 4th)
Most Known For: Getting the highest amount of votes in a single season at 22, and being targeted at nearly every merge tribal by the minority, due to being so hateable as a person, and eventually, when getting turned on at final five, playing an idol and taking out huge social threat Demi in the process.
Michelle Hwang, from Cagayan (Placement: 3rd)
Most Known For: Being apart of the dominant brain tribe trio of her, Evan, and Isiah, and managing to overcome all adversity and make the final three with her two allies, but falling short when the final tribal format returned to a final two, leading Isiah to take her out due to being a jury threat, and due to his bond with Evan.
Paris Kowalski, from San Juan del Sur (Placement: 7th)
Most Known For: Losing her closest ally due to someone flipping on her alliance to avoid a rock draw, but surviving long, and playing an idol a tribal later to get someone from the majority out, being an integral part of Vince and Allegra's blindsides, but getting her time cut short due to a vicious idol play orchestrated by Khalid.
Prathamesh 'Prat' Singh, from Caramoan (Placement: 11th)
Most Known For: Playing from the bottom for the entire game, and losing his number one ally during the fans' very first tribal, where he managed to lay low and let others be taken out over him, and ending up in an even worse spot at the swap, but playing an idol that eliminated favorite Tori. Now that he is in her position, will he share the same fate?
Steve Piles, from South Pacific (Placement: 4th)
Most Known For: Winning an impressive four immunities, which brought him all the way to the final four, and being a huge reason in his tribe avoiding tribals during the pre-merge, but ultimately getting screwed over by Shaun's persuasion skills, after he was seen as too big of a threat to make final three.
THE SEASON:http://brantsteele.net/survivocaramoan/r.php?c=e1TdI0XD Episode 1: Ten players are all boated to a remote beach in the Barbados island, with one commonality; they are all superfans of the show. Upon getting there, these fans immediately start speculating who they are up against, and they are filled with a nostalgia trip when the favorites come in one by one, for one final matchup between fans and favorites. At the Fanatik tribe, the fans get busy building the shelter, but as the shelter goes up, alliances already start to form. Jace and Kyle develop a mutual relationship, and the two plan to build a strong four person alliance. They both admit to eachother they are mental players, so they decide to look for physical players they can easily control and have them do their dirty work. Upon hearing everyone's occupations, they decide to rope in Lucas and Tianna to form a four person group. Monique and Tortia realize what is going on, and are immediately thrust into hopping on the alliance train. Monique sees Zoey as a huge meatshield, as her field of study could mark her as a threat. Tortia also grows close with Mac, and another four person alliance forms. Max and Olivia are the only people without allies, due to people being scared of Max's reputation as a reviewer, and Olivia's rashness has made people distant from her. The favorites at Renmen start getting a bit more particular on who they want to work with. Paris knows that there are two duos with pre-existing relationships: Bailey and Seppe, and Demi and Jack. She also knows that both duos don't exactly like eachother very much, so Paris immediately starts to bond with Bailey and Demi, and an all girls alliance forms between the three of them. Meanwhile, Prat and Seppe don't want to start the game in the minority, like what happened their first time playing, so the two of them rope in Elden, who doesn't exactly trust Seppe, but is glad he has a solid group, and another three person alliance is formed. Cris, Michelle, Jack, and Steve are on the outs, but for different reasonings. Cris is scared of her position on a tribe with other good players, and is too scared to actually bond with anyone, and Michelle and Steve are seen as too big of threats to keep around. Michelle is the most strategic person on that beach, and Steve is the most physical, so naturally, nobody wants them to get far. Jack is just a naturally shifty and untrustworthy guy, and just like his first time, wasn't approached by anyone for an alliance. He doesn't care however, and sneaks out to find an idol on day 1 yet again, finding it successfully. Fanatik wins the first immunity, sending Renmen to tribal council. Right off the bat, everyone starts strategizing, and wanting a voting block, Michelle ropes in a foursome of the tribe's outsiders of her, Cris, Jack, and Steve, wanting Seppe to be the first one to go. Cris, wanting a good spot in a group, and not fully trusting Michelle and Jack, however, decides to try and get in good graces with everyone, by telling Seppe and Demi what Michelle is planning. Not wanting a four person faction to overpower their smaller alliances, both Seppe and Demi alert this to their alliances, and both alliances meet up to try and get Michelle out, as she is the one leading the charge against everyone else. After Paris gets knowledge that Cris was the one who told them of the plan, Paris and Cris have a side-conversation, where Paris thanks Cris for providing her with knowledge, and she would gladly let her into the all-girls alliance. Cris is overjoyed she has a group of people to rely on, and promises she will vote with them. Steve begins to notice how close Cris is getting with Paris, Demi, and Bailey, and gets skeptical. He asks Michelle if they can change the plan to Cris, as she seems suspicious, but Michelle is adamant about voting for Seppe. Steve decides to vote for Cris anyway. At tribal, Michelle is sent home in a 7-2-1 vote. Episode 2: After the tribal, Cris is overly grateful to Paris for letting her into the group, but Bailey and Demi have a side-conversation, saying that they believe Paris is playing way too hard, too early, and both girls grow to trust her less due to her backdoor deals. Meanwhile, the alliance of Seppe, Prat, and Elden is glad Cris snitched on Michelle, as now she is made out to look like an untrustworthy fool in front of the others on the bottom that put their trust into her. Jack berates Cris for blindsiding him, and Cris apologizes, but now wants to work with him less. On Fanatik, Jace manages to sneak out and find his tribe's idol, and while he's gone, Tianna and Lucas start to second guess their position in the tribe. They believe they could be potentially be set up by Jace and Kyle, and both no longer trust them, dissolving the alliance. Zoey also is only talking game to people, instead of trying to get to know them, and is playing way too hard right out of the gate, which rubs everyone the wrong way. Fanatik wins their second individual immunity, sending the favorites back to tribal. Bailey, Demi, and Paris immediately meet up and discuss their next plan, and they agree that instead of targeting the outsiders, the three of them need to try and topple the opposing alliance of Seppe, Elden, and Prat. The three girls talk to Cris about the vote, and Cris is willing to vote for someone from said alliance. They debate on who to target, and the four of them agree that Elden is the biggest threat compared to Seppe and Prat, as he is both strategic and physical, which can be a deadly combination. Meanwhile, Seppe, Prat, and Elden all believe that the three of them can monopolize on the fact that Cris blindsided Jack and Steve, and try to convince them to vote out Cris. Both Cris and Seppe approach Jack and Steve with their respective plans, and the outcasts are suddenly the ones in control of the vote. Despite Jack wanting to get his revenge on Cris, Steve tells him that if they can get out Elden, one of the alliances has less power, and they get two easy votes for any other pre-merge tribals they go to, that likely wont be them, as they will be needed for challenge wins. Jack reluctantly agrees, and Elden is voted out in a 6-3 vote. Episode 3: Seppe and Prat are shocked over what happened at tribal. They thought there was a 100% chance Jack and Steve would vote with them, but now they both know not to trust him. Given that the next vote is either one of them, or Jack and Steve, both Seppe and Prat decide that they have to make sure the votes go to Jack if they go to tribal again. At the fans tribe, Monique is beginning to notice that the other four person group imploded on itself, and starts to get paranoid the same thing can happen to her group. This causes a fight between her and Tortia, which leads to them realizing they have to stick together or else the tribe would become anarchy. Renmen wins their first immunity, sending the fans to tribal council. Kyle starts to take notice of how much Zoey is playing, and starts to plant ideas into people's heads to take Zoey out. Upon hearing his rumors, Monique immediately doesn't trust him, and gets her alliance to vote for Kyle. Zoey's gamebot mode has rubbed everyone the wrong way, however, and everyone on the outs trusts her less, leading to Jace successfully convincing his old alliance that Zoey is a bigger threat. Lucas and Tianna talk with outsiders Max and Olivia, and successfully manage to have them on board with the vote too. Zoey is sent home in a 6-4 vote. Episode 4: With Zoey gone, the Monique-Tortia-Mac alliance has incredibly low morale. They know they can't be picked on one by one, so they desperately try to find a person perceived as a threat they can try to throw under the bus. At Renmen, Prat decides to use previous relationships as a way to advance his agenda, and talks with Demi about how she feels about Jack. Demi, a little hotheaded from her blindside orchestrated by him in Koah Rong, says she would vote him out in a heartbeat after he broke her trust. With this knowledge, Prat and Seppe are happy they can flip the game where they want. Fanatik wins reward but Renmen wins immunity sending the fans back to tribal. Monique has a side conversation with Max and Olivia asking for their vote, as five is enough, and in return, lets them decide who to go. Max and Olivia think hard about this, and they decide that Lucas should be the one to go, as his cultural barrier lets him be more distant from the main group, and is unlikely to be seen coming, in case an idol play happens. Olivia, however, has different plans. She wants the plan to implode in Monique's face, and tells Kyle their plan. Kyle however, wants to go along with it, with the ulterior motive of forcing those on the bottom to be loyal to him. Jace, Lucas, and Tianna all agree that Tortia is the biggest threat, and they tell Kyle their plan, but its no use. Lucas goes out in a 6-3 vote. Episode 5: Jace is shocked that Lucas would be the one who went last tribal, and immediately knew that Kyle was the one who flipped on him. An argument between Jace and Kyle breaks out, and he debates weather working with Kyle is a good idea. Meanwhile, Kyle accredits himself with putting Max and Olivia in a better position, and tells them that they now have to be loyal to him in return, and Olivia doesn't believe it one bit. She knows that her and Max are in a bad spot, but also knows that she would rather play the game for herself than for Kyle's benefit. At Renmen, Demi, Paris, and Bailey start their usual planning, and Demi brings up Jack's name, saying the longer he is in the game, the more powerful he gets. Both girls are willing to help her get Jack out, and his antics continue to rub everyone the wrong way when Paris starts to get a read on him, thinking he is hiding something. Fanatik wins immunity, sending the favorites to tribal. Jack and Steve approach Paris, Demi, and Bailey about voting off Cris due to being way too unpredictable, but since the girls have a bond with Cris, there is no turning back. They talk to Prat and Seppe, saying that they are going to vote for Jack, and both guys are overjoyed, telling them that is their plan too. Paris tells Cris she is getting targeted by Jack, and Cris naturally wants to play defensively. At tribal, Jack gets a read of the room, and believes something is off, so he plays his idol, negating 6 votes, and unfortunately eliminating Cris in a sad, premature 2-0 vote. Episode 6: Everyone is flabbergasted over what just happened, and this pushes everyone to want Jack out even more. A mad dash for the newly hidden idol occurs at camp, and Steve ends up being the one who finds the idol. Meanwhile, at the fans tribe, Tianna and Jace are still confused on why Kyle flipped on them, and Olivia uses this as an opportunity to psychologically weaken them by rubbing it in their faces, which both fans aren't happy with. This causes a fight between Olivia and Tianna to take place. Fanatik wins reward, but Renmen wins immunity. The fans go back to tribal, where lines are clearly drawn to the sand. Max is thankful that Kyle gave him a shot at actually playing the game, and the two plan on working together to get out another member of the majority, Mac. Monique, Mac, and Tortia want to get this duo of Kyle and Max out, gunning for Max in case Kyle has the idol, and the duo of Jace and Tianna want Tortia out for being super strategic. This leaves Olivia in the middle of everything. She is approached by Tortia, Jace, and Kyle about their respective plans, and she can either vote for Max and establish a new majority, or vote for Mac or Tortia and force a tie. Ultimately, wanting her game to be safe, Olivia flips on her allies, sending Max home in a 4-2-2 vote. Episode 7: The tribes swap, and now fans and favorites are getting to play together. The new Fanatik now has Bailey, Demi, Monique, Olivia, Paris, Steve, and Tortia, while the new Renmen now has Seppe, Jack, Jace, Kyle, Mac, Prat, and Tianna. At Fanatik, the favorites have majority 4-3, and Steve wants to finally integrate himself into a majority group, He talks with Demi, and apologizes about working with Jack, and the two are able to forgive eachother, and form a new bond. Meanwhile, Monique and Tortia aren't having the easiest time working with Olivia, as she has been seen to be extremely unpredictable, rude, and not have their priorities in mind. Because of this, Monique and Tortia are quick to start getting to know Bailey, Demi, and Paris, and the five girls immediately start growing close. At Renmen, the fans have control of the tribe, leaving Jack, Seppe, and Prat subject to however they want to vote. Jace and Tianna are the only fans that are currently aligned together, but both Kyle and Mac know it would be foolish to give up the majority, especially after two straight seasons of favorites in the minority manipulating their fans during the tribe swap. A four person alliance between Jace, Tianna, Mac, and Kyle is formed. Prat and Seppe have no intentions of flipping, but they know first hand how dangerous Jack can be, so Seppe, during a talk with Jace, tells him about Jack's idol play, saying he also could potentially have the rehidden idol as well. This scares Jace, and he thanks Seppe for the information. Renmen wins immunity, sending Fanatik to tribal. Right off the bat, Olivia approaches Paris, saying she wants to make a move and put the votes on Tortia, who is the most strategic fan by a longshot. Paris is taken aback by Olivia's offer, and she holds a chat with Demi, Steve, and Bailey to assess their options. Due to their gained bonds with Tortia and Monique, and how abrasive Olivia was when talking to Paris, everyone immediately knew that Olivia is the least trustworthy of the three favorites. They confirm to Tortia and Monique they will be working with them, and Olivia is sent home unanimously in a 6-1 vote. Episode 8: With Olivia gone, Demi wants as many allies as possible going into the merge, so she does more around camp to be seen as a provider, and gets to know both of the remaining fans of her tribe, who would love to work with her when the merge hits. Meanwhile, at Renmen, Kyle starts acting shady, and makes backdoor deals with Prat, Seppe, and Jack, which people start to notice, and are rubbed the wrong way by his antics. Fanatik wins both reward and immunity, sending Renmen to tribal. Jace has a talk with Mac and Tianna, saying that despite Kyle's shadiness, the fans need to stick together, as giving up a majority is completely idiotic. Everyone else agrees, and decides that Jack is the best bet. Prat and Seppe approach Kyle and Jace, and they talk about a plan. Both Seppe and Prat say they are willing to flip on Jack if need be, as he is a big physical threat, and the merge is likely coming up. Not wanting to blindside either of them, and seeing them as worthy allies, Jace sticks to the plan, but still is worried people could flip on him. Jace mistakenly plays his idol, and Jack is voted out in a unanimous 6-1 vote. Episode 9: The tribes merge, and for the first time ever, there is an even split between the fans and the favorites. The alliance of Demi, Bailey, and Paris immediately start considering their future options, and realize that staying in tribal lines could be disastrous for them, as Prat and Seppe making the end could lead them to being overshadowed. Given the cohesiveness of the previous vote, plus Steve's willingness to work with them, they rope in the members of their swapped tribe, Monique and Tortia, and ask if they're willing to integrate into their alliance. Both fans are overjoyed, as it gets them farther, as well as gets them meatshields to tank their votes. Wanting as many options as possible, Monique starts to bond with Seppe, who plans to use this backdoor talk to paint a target on her back. Seppe and Prat want Steve to be the first person to go at merge, given his reputation with immunity challenges, and they give this plan to their tribemates at the swap. Jace is glad they aren't targeting him despite his bad idol play, and everyone swapped onto Renmen decides that is the optimal plan. Bailey wins the first immunity challenge, barely beating Steve, and Seppe and Prat's plan to get Steve out slowly starts working. Prat tells Paris of their plan, thinking he can trust her, but Paris wants Steve as an ally to cut at a later time. As a result, Paris asks Tortia and Monique who they see as the biggest threat, and they both say they want Tianna out, as it weakens those in opposition to their original alliance, and it takes out a major physical threat. With the two fans quickly roping in Mac from their original alliance, Tianna is voted out in a 7-5 vote, just one tribal short of the jury. Episode 10: With the fans down 8-7, Kyle doesn't want to lose any numbers, so he decides that now is the option to make a move. Bailey, Demi, Prat, Kyle, and Paris win reward, and on reward, Kyle listens into Bailey, Demi, and Paris bonding, and knows for sure he can use this to try and get Steve to turn on them. Monique wins the next immunity challenge, narrowly beating Steve, and with Steve at risk to get voted out, Kyle makes his move. He tells Steve that looking at it from a logical standpoint, Steve has no shot at making final three if the final four is between him, Bailey, Demi, and Paris. Steve realizes this, thanks Kyle for telling him, and states he is ready to stop coasting on immunity wins and make a move. He asks Kyle if voting for Bailey would be a good idea, and Kyle says he can rally up the fans to get the numbers needed. Immediately, Kyle tells Bailey about what Steve is planning, and not wanting to go home, Bailey trusts him and tells the rest of the favorites about this. Through utilization of the connections that the fans and faves had at swap, Seppe and Demi are able to get everyone on board with voting Steve, except for Mac, who is approached by Kyle, asking if he wants to take part in a gamebreaking move, and he immediately says yes, wanting something on his resume. Right before tribal, Steve shows Kyle and Mac his idol, and Kyle recommends playing it just in case. At tribal, Steve plays his idol, which shocks everyone, negating 8 votes, and making Bailey the first juror in a 3-0 vote. Episode 11: Kyle's plan worked, and now Steve is public enemy number one between both the fans and the favorites, as Kyle sits back and watches the chaos ensue. Wanting to ensure he makes it past another day, Prat goes looking for the idol and finds it, hoping he can make good use of it, similarly to how he did in Caramoan. Prat, Tortia, Monique, Jace, and Mac win reward, and Prat makes sure that everyone is on the same page in voting for Steve. Everyone is in agreement, but Steve wins the next immunity challenge, sending the whole tribe into chaos. The faves naturally want a fan out, and Seppe is pushing for Monique, but Prat fights him over it, knowing that Monique is close with Paris and Demi. Eventually Prat gives up and Seppe asks the girls about their willingness to get a Monique out, and they are hesitant at first, but they do believe that this vote could break up a major bond from a day one alliance, and leave the fans disunited, and more able to manipulate. Seppe also tells this plan to his swapped tribe, who are all members of the minority while Monique and Tortia were in power, and are ready to take out the people on top of the fans tribe. Mac also is willing to flip on them, as he believes his swap alliance to be way more cohesive. Kyle gives them a decoy plan to vote Mac for being a physical threat, and as a result, Monique is blindsided, becoming the second juror in an 8-2 vote. Episode 12: Tortia feels blindsided, but knows that if Steve didn't win immunity, Monique would still be in the game, and the girls would be in the top 5 together. Demi apologizes to Tortia for the move, and Tortia understands where she came from, and is still willing to put her trust into Demi. Kyle wins immunity, and Jace suddenly feels like he has no say in the game, and the favorites are dictating the vote. This causes him to isolate himself from the tribe, leading people to lose trust in him. Prat and Seppe immediately start throwing Steve's name out as long as they can, and they successfully manage to rally Jace and Kyle to vote with them, but Mac feels unsure, as he wants to keep working with Steve. He decides to just throw a vote for Seppe out instead. Steve, however, isn't going without a fight. Demi, Paris, and Tortia realize that as long as Steve is in the game, they're less likely to get votes, so the three of them rope in Steve to vote out another physical threat in Mac. Due to Mac's sole vote for Seppe, votes between Steve and Mac tie at tribal council, and Steve is sent to the third jury seat in a 4-3 revote, with nobody flipping. Episode 13: The number of fans and faves is tied 4-4, and Seppe, scared that singular vote cast against him could lead to many more, wins immunity. Kyle, not wanting to go to rocks has a talk with the faves about how he is willing to turn on Mac if it lets him live another day, and the favorites are into that plan, since Mac is a physical threat, but Demi convinces everyone that Kyle isn't to be trusted to begin with, as he could be lying to their faces. Seppe slips to Mac that Kyle wants him gone, and Mac, not knowing what he did wrong, is aided by Jace and Tortia, who are also done with Kyle's antics. Kyle becomes the fourth juror in a unanimous 7-1 vote. Seppe wins his second immunity in a row, and he is now on Paris and Demi's radar as a challenge threat. Demi and Paris decide to detach from Seppe and Prat, and want to vote out Mac for being good at challenges, and a potential meatshield, alongside Tortia. Seppe and Prat want to make use of the fact that Jace is an easy to vote off outsider that has no leeway, and cant take control from anyone with an alliance, Mac, finally wanting Jace gone, decides to vote with Seppe as thanks for warning him about Kyle. This leaves Jace in the middle, who decides to vote Prat, informing Paris and Demi about a potential Prat blindside. The girls consider it, but still see Mac as a bigger threat. Wanting a better relationship with Prat, Demi tells him of Jace's plan. As an emergency plan, Prat misplays his idol, negating only Jace's vote. Votes for Mac and Jace tie 3-3, and yet again, nobody switches on the revote, sending Mac to the fifth jury seat in a 3-2 revote. Episode 14: It is the final six, and it is getting dangerously close to where Demi fell last time, so she takes no hesitations on being the most social person on the island. She wins reward and shares it with Seppe to specifically strengthen their relationship, and uses the nourishment from the reward to win immunity. Due to Prat misplaying the idol, Paris goes out looking for it, and manages to find the idol. Tortia, knowing there likely isn't a chance the fans can recover from this, makes final three deals with both Demi and Prat, and claims she is willing to take out Jace, as he is the easy vote with no allies left in the game. The favorites agree with her judgement, and Jace unanimously becomes the sixth juror in a 5-1 vote. Finale: Tortia is the last fan standing, and she is proud of this feat, as she gets to be the deciding vote between the feuding duos of Prat and Seppe, and Demi and Paris. She wants to get to the end with Prat and Demi ideally, as Seppe and Paris' strategic games could potentially make her lose. Demi wins the next immunity challenge, and both Prat and Seppe need her to be the next one to go. Paris and Demi celebrate, as Paris shows Demi her idol, saying that both of them are guaranteed final four, and the two decide that with the idol, Seppe will be ensured to go home. Tortia ends up deciding to vote with Demi and Paris, without knowing of Paris' idol. Paris plays her idol, negating two votes, and Seppe becomes the seventh juror in a 3-0 vote. Demi continues her challenge streak, winning reward, which gives her an advantage in the challenge, which then helps her win the final immunity, guaranteeing her a spot in the final three. Prat assumes he will be the one to go, but Tortia has other plans, as she sees Paris as a huge strategic threat that has to go, or else she can win the whole thing. She talks with Prat, saying she will vote with him against Paris, and they will still uphold their final three deal they made prior. Votes tie between Prat and Paris 2-2, and they tie again 1-1 on the revote, meaning that a firemaking challenge will occur. After both players feverishly build their flame, Prat ultimately burns his rope first, eliminating Paris from the game. The final three plead their cases to the jury on why they deserve the million dollars. Tortia uses the fact that she was the first and only first time playing fan to have ever made final three, and she deserves the win because she outlasted the rest of her tribe, and integrated into the favorites group when she needed to. Prat argues he started from the bottom at his second tribal, but worked his way to the top by integrating with his swapped tribemates, and earning his way into the final three through the firemaking challenge that sent a huge strategic threat packing. Meanwhile, Demi argued she played the social and physical games down to a T, fostering relationships with everyone, sticking with an alliance that formed day one all the way to the end, being in control of who goes home the majority of the time, and winning three immunity challenges and four reward challenges, adding up to 7 total challenge wins. While Prat and Tortia's underdog stories were nice, Demi is praised by the jury for the relationships she fostered. Demi Bourbon is crowned the winner of Swoldow's Survivor: Barbados in a 5-2-1 vote. Steve wins fan favorite due to his impressive idol play, and how his singular immunity win broke the tribal dynamics. Potential All-Stars: The favorites, Tortia, Jace, Mac, Kyle, Monique Potential Pre-Jury Gems: Tianna, Olivia Another great season, with an incredibly deserving win by Demi. I'm glad that many of the favorites got to redeem themselves, including Prat, Paris, and Seppe who all improved in placement. The favorites tribe in general was extremely fun to write, and might've been the strongest group yet, we've had for that tribe. Our next season will be going back to measuring certain archetypes and pitting them against eachother. With the addition of a mandatory firemaking challenge at final 4, our next season will be Swoldow's Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers.
Another bet the sub might like to get behind (FIBA World Cup 2019)
After our incredible journey on the 5 day cricket test match, I would completely understand if you didn't want to put yourself through the emotional rollercoaster again. I wouldn't post on here unless I had done some research and determined that I really liked this bet. I'll preface the write-up by saying that this is no "lock of the century," but I do think the bookies have underrated this severely. I will explain my reasoning below. Format: (1) The pick (2) The odds + bookmakers (3) Reasons why this bet could LOSE (4) Reasons why I really like this bet (5) TLDR (1) Giannis Antetokounmpo to lead the 2019 FIBA World in total points scored (2) I got in at 5.00 (decimal)/ +400 American on Bet365, however, regrettably this has gone down to 4.5/ +350. On other Aussie bookmakers, you can fetch:
4.6/ +360 on Topsport
4.0/ +300 on Beteasy
4.33/ +333 on Sportsbet
3.5/ +250 on Pointsbet (sorry, I made this one drop from 4.5/ +350 as well).
I'm sure my international friends can find comparable odds at your respective betting sites. (3) It's always important to consider how the bet can fall apart. Only considering the positives lends itself to making biased decisions, nit-picking only the information which helps your argument. So, here's where things can go wrong:
We need him to beat a field of essentially 100's of other players - although realistically it's about 10 guys who can win. To name a few, we have Bogdanovic of Serbia, Mitchell and Kemba of USA, Mills of Australia (woo!), Schroder of Germany, Fournier of France, Jokic of Serbia and so on.
Giannis sat out Greece's last warm-up game with "knee irritation". This is most likely just a team cautiously sitting their lone star in a meaningless game, but you never know. Having not heard anything to the contrary, I am assuming he will not miss any time, but injuries are just a reality we have to deal with when betting on sport.
We are relying on Greece progressing past the group stages: if they somehow fall apart and do not progress, then this bet is kaput (if you don't know what that word means, look it up).
(4) These are the reasons why I think this bet is tremendous value, with the final point being the real kicker.
I think it goes without saying Giannis is the star of the tournament. He averaged 27.7ppg last NBA season and is the reigning MVP. His play in the warm ups has shown he is in good form and is very passionate about leading Greece. This isn't a chore for him and there is no hidden agenda. He is here to win.
He should score with ease; his size puts him up there with most team's tallest player, while possessing the agility of a guard. As an example, he scored 26 points against Dominican Republic the other day in a measly 22 minutes. A couple weeks ago he had 18 vs Italy in just 19 minutes. Keep in mind that FIBA matches are only 40 minutes, and Giannis will probably see 30+ minutes on average. In previous World Cups the top scorers usually average points in the low 20's. I think Giannis should comfortably reach that benchmark, hopefully dropping a 30 point game or two.
Greece are the third favourite to win the tournament, suggesting that they are expected to make at least the final 8 (you'll understand shortly why that is the benchmark we are aiming for).
The format has changed this year. This is the most important point and where I think the books have missed something. Try keep up...
2010 was the last year that the World Cup included Classification games. These are games in which teams who got knocked out in the quarter finals, would still play consolation games to be given a final classification (i.e. to determine who officially finishes 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th).
So this means that even if you got knocked out in the quarter finals (final 8), you would still have 2 more games remaining, instead of ending your tournament prematurely.
To see a visual representation, see here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIBA_World_Championshipand scroll down to Championship Bracket. You'll notice that Russia get knocked out by USA in the quarter finals, then subsequently lose to Argentina in the Classification round, yet still play another game against Slovenia to determine 7th place.
Now you might ask: do these games count towards "tournament points scored?" Which is exactly what I was wondering...
In 2014 they eliminated classification games. See Final Round here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIBA_Basketball_World_Cup where Spain get knocked out by France, and do not play any further games in the tournament. Funny side note: Pau Gasol still lead the tournament in total points!.
This year they are bringing the classification system back!
ALSO... (this is important too): they are now employing 2 group stages. There will be 8 groups of 4, with each team playing 3 games. The top 2 teams from each group will move on to the second group stage, where 2 teams from one group will merge with 2 teams from another group to form a new group of 4. They will then proceed to now play another 2 games (this is because they don't play against the team who was in their group in stage 1). So by making it out of the first round, you are automatically going to play 5 games. If you make it out of the second group stage you are now in the quarter finals. Regardless of whether you win a game from here or not, you will play 3 more games (because, remember, even if you get knocked out at this point, you move to the Classification round). See here: http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019#|tab=event_brackets for the official bracket format for this year's tournament.
So how does this dramatically boost Giannis' chances? Anyone who has made a bet like this (be it, most goals scored in the Fifa World Cup, most goals scored in the AFL Finals series, Most points scored throughout the NBA playoffs) will understand that this is partly a bet on the individual player, but also a bet on the team. If the team gets knocked out early, it is rare - almost impossible even - for the player to win the statistical category. But all Greece need to do is make the quarter finals for Giannis to reach the maximum of 8 games. At this point, no player can play more games than Giannis and it is essentially a bet of who will average the most PPG. If it comes down to a PPG battle, I think Giannis would be an odds-on favourite to win that.
What do Greece need to do to reach the quarter finals? First, they must finish top 2 in their group. The other teams they are competing with are Brazil, Montenegro and New Zealand. I am fairly confident that Greece should not drop a single game here (for context, they are paying 1.10/ -1000 to beat Montenegro in their first game of the tournament). If they proceed to group stage 2 the top two teams in their group will merge with the top 2 teams of group E (USA, Czech Republic, Turkey, Japan). We can assume that USA will probably emerge as the top seed in this group, so the only place our bet can really falter, is if Greece somehow finish below the team who accompanies USA from group E, or the team which accompanies Greece from group F. Keep in mind thatpoints from group stage 1 carry over to group stage 2. Meaning that the team accompanying USA from group E will likely have 1 loss and (assuming Greece sweep their group), the team who accompanies them will also have a loss, while USA and Greece will be 3-0. This would be highly advantageous in terms of advancing to the quarter finals.
(5) TLDR: Bet on Giannis Antetokounmpo to lead the 2019 FIBA World in total points scored at odds of about 4.5/ +350 because the changed format means that it is very likely Greece will play the maximum of 8 games, and if that comes to fruition, Giannis will be the overwhelming favourite to outscore everyone else. EDIT: There is also a classification round for teams 9-16 and 17-32, but I do not know if these games will count towards the official tournament statistics. If they do, then I think this bet is even better, but I am not relying on it. If anyone knows the answer I'm keen to hear.
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